# The 2016 Republican candidates **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444 "2015-01-09T22:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1962 "2015-09-09T18:49:43Z")
I correct myself then: most candidates have not said they would abrogate the treaty. Five are on record as saying they would out of 17. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1963 "2015-09-09T18:51:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If so, that’s on Iran. The President can only deliver what he has authority over. No, that’s on Kasich. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1964 "2015-09-09T18:53:49Z")
It is not everyone’s responsibility to go along with the President on a deal he negotiated without their input. Are universities also obligated to drop their sanctions and divestment campaigns? The Iran deal covers only FEDERAL, NUCLEAR sanctions. State sanctions are not part of the deal. Private sanctions are not part of the deal. Federal terrorism sanctions are not part of the deal. There is no way that John Kerry did not make the Iranian team aware of exactly what sanctions the deal covered. If Iran finks, it’s because they wanted to and were looking for a pretext. > [@](#): > > Secretary of State John Kerry recently told the House Foreign Affairs Committee that the Iran accord would not pre-empt state law because it’s not a treaty. But in their Tuesday letter, the governors note that the agreement says the federal government will “actively encourage” states to lift their sanctions on Iran, including divestment and contracting restriction laws. > **[Kasich: Ohio will keep state-level sanctions against Iran](https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/09/08/kasich-ohio-keep-state-level-sanctions-against-iran/71903898/)** > > Ohio law requires its state pension funds to reduce investments in companies that have ties to Iran, and Gov. John Kasich said Tuesday he won’t reverse that policy even if a controversial nuclear agreement with Iran takes effect. If the deal depends on states cooperating, then the administration was wasting their time, and that’s foreign policy malpractice. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1965 "2015-09-09T19:04:43Z")
I’ll give you Kasich, even though his position is clearly opposed to the deal. And by “on Kasich” I mean he personally supports continuing sanctions regardless of the treaty. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1966 "2015-09-09T19:05:40Z")
It’s not a treaty, thus is not US law. It is strictly an agreement between the President and the government of Iran. It’s called an executive agreement. It doesn’t bind Congress, much less the states. And all Republicans oppose the deal, I don’t dispute that. But in January 2017, the deal will have been in effect for over a year. If it’s working, it would be stupid to abrogate it. The right approach is to enforce the deal, and enforce it good and hard. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1967 "2015-09-09T19:36:50Z")
“Mr. President! Wonderful news! **adaher** is on board!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1968 "2015-09-09T19:51:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They are all against, but abrogating a signed deal that’s working when you take office is just a nonsense policy, and any Republican who makes that promise is either stupid or lying. Either way, it’s pretty close to disqualifying, IMO. So who does that leave for you? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1969 "2015-09-09T20:09:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I correct myself then: most candidates have not said they would abrogate the treaty. > > Five are on record as saying they would out of 17. AFAIAC, it doesn’t matter what the candidates think if they’re down in the white noise. It’s the ones who still have a chance that count. So the fact that Perry says he’d rip up the deal on Day 1 doesn’t matter to me, but that Rubio says the same thing does. So: Rubio and Walker would rip it up; Trump and Bush are against it, but would enforce it if elected. [Cruz](http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/trump-storms-washington-to-stop-iran-nuke-deal/#FLdAsWPglprEkPTT.99): > [@](#): > > “This deal makes war a certainty,” Cruz has charged. > > And, as he told WND, “If this deal is consummated, it will make the Obama administration the world’s leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism.” > > “Billions of dollars under control of this administration will flow into the hands of jihadists who will use that money to murder Americans, to murder Israelis, to murder Europeans,” Cruz warned. He doesn’t say he’s going to tear up the treaty on Day 1, but if he believes his own rhetoric, how can he do anything else? [Carson](http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/16/ben-carson-iran-deal-puts-whole-country-in-jeopardy/): > [@](#): > > Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson spoke out against the Iran nuclear deal, warning that it puts the “whole country in jeopardy.” How can you possibly live with a deal that puts the whole country in jeopardy? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1970 "2015-09-09T20:14:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They are all against, but abrogating a signed deal that’s working when you take office is just a nonsense policy, and any Republican who makes that promise is either stupid or lying. Either way, it’s pretty close to disqualifying, IMO. [Shrubby did it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty#US_withdrawal) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1971 "2015-09-09T20:26:16Z")
Two major differences between that treaty and the Iran agreement: 1. Bush didn’t do that right after taking office, and he didn’t do it as an anti-Russia move. It was part of his post-9/11 policy agenda that we needed nuke defenses against rogue states. 2. The treaty had a provision for backing out and Bush complied with it. The Iran agreement has a very specific purpose, and as long as it accomplishes that purpose there’s no rationale for pulling out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1972 "2015-09-11T03:13:32Z")
Official [Ted Cruz campaign poster](https://2zk8hd369lpu230tji485tjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blacklistedandlovingit.jpg) on the Ted Cruz website, I shit you not. > **[Home - Ted Cruz for Senate](https://www.tedcruz.org)** > > Representing Texas in the U.S. Senate ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1973 "2015-09-11T10:14:07Z")
I feel sick to my stomach after seeing that poster. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1974 "2015-09-11T13:06:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Official [Ted Cruz campaign poster](https://2zk8hd369lpu230tji485tjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blacklistedandlovingit.jpg) on the Ted Cruz website, I shit you not. Can’t be. That \*has \*to be a false-flag site. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1975 "2015-09-11T13:15:16Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Official [Ted Cruz campaign poster](https://2zk8hd369lpu230tji485tjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blacklistedandlovingit.jpg) on the Ted Cruz website, I shit you not. > > [Ted Cruz for Senate](https://store.tedcruz.org/product/blacklisted-loving-it-poster/) I doubt it. He isn’t nearly as buff. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1976 "2015-09-11T15:53:12Z")
[The guy who made Ted Cruz into a ripped, tattooed smoker](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/02/27/the-guy-who-made-ted-cruz-into-a-ripped-tattooed-smoker/). > [@](#): > > “I heard Ted Cruz was coming to town, and he’s always someone that kind of pissed off the establishment in Washington and I thought 'he’s kind of a badass…” Sabo said. “He doesn’t look it, but it’s like, I kind of like this guy. And it’s not like me to like a politician.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1977 "2015-09-11T16:17:01Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I feel sick to my stomach after seeing that poster. Quit hogging the brain bleach. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1978 "2015-09-11T22:29:41Z")
[Juckabee’s team cross-blocks Teddy from the press at **u** \* _u_\*\*\*\* _u_\*'s release-from-jail rally](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huckabee-cruz-kim-davis). Nothing more fun than factional infighting. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1979 "2015-09-11T22:38:48Z")
[A look at the current state of the Walker campaign.](http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/scott-walkers-campaign-seems-to-be-in-serious-trouble/) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1980 "2015-09-12T02:35:30Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Official [Ted Cruz campaign poster](https://2zk8hd369lpu230tji485tjn-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blacklistedandlovingit.jpg) on the Ted Cruz website, I shit you not… Due to Cruz’s unauthorized appropriation of Winston Churchill’s image, Her Majesty’s Government today announced that it will wage its third war against us if he is elected. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444/1981 "2015-09-12T02:38:15Z")
Wow - Rick Perry is the first out of the GOP race. Low-ranked pols get in their licks: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/rick-perry-2016-campaign-suspended/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/rick-perry-2016-campaign-suspended/index.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-republican-candidates/709444.md?page=100)