# The 2016 Road to the Oscars thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 1, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560 "2016-12-01T21:49:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/21 "2017-01-24T19:08:07Z")
Well, in broad strokes, here are the nomination tallies: LA LA LAND leads with 14, tied for an all-time record (w/ALL ABOUT EVE and TITANIC). This includes Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Screenplay, and 2 Song nods. It’s followed by: 8 - MOONLIGHT (includes Pic, Director, Screenplay, and Supp Actor & Actress) 8 - ARRIVAL (includes Pic, Director, Screenplay) 6 - MANCHESTER BY THE SEA (Pic, Director, Screenplay, Actor, and Supp Actor & Actress) 6 - LION (includes Pic, Screenplay, Supp Actor & Actress) 6 - HACKSAW RIDGE (includes Pic & Director) 4 - FENCES (Pic, Actor, Supp Actress, Screenplay) 4 - HELL OR HIGH WATER (includes Pic, Supp Actor, Screenplay) 3 - HIDDEN FIGURES (Pic, Screenplay, Supp Actress) 3 - JACKIE (includes Actress) Films with 2 nods: DEEPWATER HORIZON, FANTASTIC BEASTS AND WHERE TO FIND THEM, FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS, KUBO AND THE TWO STRINGS, A MAN CALLED OVE, MOANA, PASSENGERS, ROGUE ONE Meryl Streep gets her 20th acting nomination, Denzel Washington & Jeff Bridges their 7th each. 4th nod - Nicole Kidman, Michelle Williams 3rd - Viola Davis, Natalie Portman 2nd - Casey Affleck, Ryan Gosling, Viggo Mortensen, Michael Shannon, Octavia Spencer, Emma Stone 1st - Mahershala Ali, Andrew Garfield, Naomie Harris, Lucas Hedges, Isabelle Huppert, Ruth Negga, Dev Patel [Here’s a link](http://www.oscars.org/oscars/ceremonies/2017) to all the nominees ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/22 "2017-01-24T19:38:13Z")
I wouldn’t offer one to two odds against “La La Land” taking home Best Picture. It’s been anointed pretty much since it opened. No other actor who has ever lived, aside from Meryl Streep, has been nominated for an acting Oscar more than twelve times. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/23 "2017-01-24T19:44:55Z")
Who is this year’s nomination for “Most Deserving First-Timer” as in “Never has won but should have won previously” or “Never has won but should based on their body of work”? Right now I would say Casey Affleck ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/24 "2017-01-24T19:48:18Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Who is this year’s nomination for “Most Deserving First-Timer” as in “Never has won but should have won previously” or “Never has won but should based on their body of work”? > > Right now I would say Casey Affleck Casey does a great job in MANCHESTER by he’s far from “overdue”. Without a doubt, the Body-Of-Work nominee is Isabelle Huppert, who may not be familiar to American audiences but is a genuine cinematic legend in the international film community and as good as any actress working anywhere. And she got nominated for a Paul Verhoeven movie, too! I still think Emma Stone is going to win, but if anyone upsets, it’ll be Huppert. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/25 "2017-01-24T19:57:40Z")
What does Amy Adams have to do to actually get one of these things? Her performance in Arrival made that picture. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/26 "2017-01-24T20:02:30Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > [All the nominations here](http://www.imdb.com/oscars/nominations/?pf_rd_m=A2FGELUUNOQJNL&pf_rd_p=2799292502&pf_rd_r=1M6KF2D6KAKYXKF0JEV0&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_acd_noms_lk6) > > What a boring-ass slate of movies, full of movies Hollywood loves, and 90% of the population didn’t even see. > > I predict this is the lowest rated Oscars ever because there aren’t even any compelling storylines in it. As one of the 10% I’ve seen all the nominees in all the major categories except for one (Viggo Mortenson in Captain Fantastic) and I don’t think it’s a boring-ass slate of movies at all. There are some great ones missing but there always is. Elle was not submitted by France. I’m very happy for Isabelle Huppert though. The ratings won’t matter. It’s not like they’ll shut down the Oscars or stop broadcasting them. It’s sure not like they’ll all of a sudden become the People’s Choice Awards. The Branch members who nominate aren’t going to consult Box Office Mojo before they vote for nominees. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/27 "2017-01-24T20:09:28Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Elle was not submitted by France. I’m very happy for Isabelle Huppert though. Actually, it was France’s official submission, but it didn’t even make it to the short list (understandably; I think it’s a fantastic and provocative film but I can see why the older membership might be turned off by it). This also makes ELLE the 7th Paul Verhoeven film to be nominated for an Oscar. Two (ROBOCOP and TOTAL RECALL) have won. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/28 "2017-01-24T20:10:56Z")
And maybe we can [merge threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=812558)? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_Reed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Anthony\_Reed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anthony_Reed)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/29 "2017-01-24T20:12:34Z")
I haven’t watched Lala land yet but I’m going to, people say, it’s great! Speaking about cartoons, I vote for Zootopia! I liked it very much and my little son wants to watch it again and again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/30 "2017-01-24T20:13:19Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I am disappointed that _Silence_ was just nominated for Cinematography. I thought it was an incredible movie that deserved better. I think the general consensus was that it came out so late that it didn’t make enough end-of-the-year critics’ lists or guild nominations to give it the momentum it needed. Scorsese’s KUNDUN got 4 nominations when it came out 2 decades ago. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/31 "2017-01-24T20:14:12Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Would you rather they nominate the movies they hated? Not necessarily. Mostly because of… > [@jsc1953](#): > > Welcome to movie-going reality. The public goes to see Marvel comics blockbusters in the summertime. The critics like character-driven dramas released at the holidays. Summer blockbusters seledom get nominated, much less win. And usually there’s a good reason. I understand that these are the movies that win every year. I just want something, I dunno, different. Like I said, there aren’t even any really going storylines going into it. No one major was snubbed, no one who seriously doesn’t deserve to be there is there. These nominations are like all of the 1 seeds making it to the Final Four. Sure, it’s what “should” have happened…but where’s the fun in that? Plus, I’m sure the most interesting thing of the night will be Kimmel and the winners just jerking each other off with their anti-Trump statements. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/32 "2017-01-24T20:15:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Is it a snub/shock that Annette Bening didn’t get a nomination for 20th Century Women? I think it’s a much bigger shock that Amy Adams didn’t get a nod for **Arrival** , given that it got 8 other nods (while _2CW_ only scored a Screenplay nod). Huppert and Negga are both very deserving so it’s a credit to the acting branch to explore a little outside the box, even though Bening & Adams were superb as well. Just a congested field overall (and that’s not even counting Rebecca Hall’s remarkable work in **Christine**. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/33 "2017-01-24T20:34:03Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > These nominations are like all of the 1 seeds making it to the Final Four. Sure, it’s what “should” have happened…but where’s the fun in that? So you’re saying that they Academy shouldn’t be choosing the movies they think are the best of the year? They should pick a bad movie because it’s unexpected? There’s no perfect way to choose nominees for _any_ award (something I learned years ago in one of the Nebula Award brouhahas). But if the goal is to pick the best, why shouldn’t people pick what they think is the best. Or would a nomination for _Zoolander 2_ make things more interesting? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/34 "2017-01-24T21:17:01Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > What does Amy Adams have to do to actually get one of these things? Her performance in Arrival made that picture. Adams is pretty high up on the list of Great Actors Working Today Who’s Never Won An Oscar. She turns in a Grade A performance time and time again, and can play any role she’s asked to play. If you asked Amy Adams to play Pete Rose, I would not be surprised if she could do it. Why she’s not up I don’t really understand. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/35 "2017-01-24T21:35:32Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > [All the nominations here](http://www.imdb.com/oscars/nominations/?pf_rd_m=A2FGELUUNOQJNL&pf_rd_p=2799292502&pf_rd_r=1M6KF2D6KAKYXKF0JEV0&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_acd_noms_lk6) > > What a boring-ass slate of movies, full of movies Hollywood loves, and 90% of the population didn’t even see. > > I predict this is the lowest rated Oscars ever because there aren’t even any compelling storylines in it. So you’ve seen all the nominated films, right? I mean if you’re able to make such a statement I have to assume that you’ve seen every single film. Right? IMO, they’re FAR from boring. _Manchester by the Sea_ is a gut wrenching drama with excellent performances _Arrival_ a intelligent science fiction film _Hell or High Water_ a sharp crime/action film _Hidden Figures_ an enjoyable historical film, behind the scenes of the early days of the space program _La La Land_ a colorful song and dance film _Fences_ as powerful as it was on stage, it is on the big screen and those are just the ones I’ve seen so far. Boring? Far from it. And as for the telecast ratings… Unless you or anyone here has financial risks tied in with the telecast, who really cares about the ratings? I sure don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/36 "2017-01-24T22:47:25Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Not necessarily. Mostly because of… > > I understand that these are the movies that win every year. I just want something, I dunno, different. Like I said, there aren’t even any really going storylines going into it. No one major was snubbed, no one who seriously doesn’t deserve to be there is there. > > These nominations are like all of the 1 seeds making it to the Final Four. Sure, it’s what “should” have happened…but where’s the fun in that? > > Plus, I’m sure the most interesting thing of the night will be Kimmel and the winners just jerking each other off with their anti-Trump statements. I think this is more your speed: [https://www.google.com/amp/blog.peopleschoice.com/2016/11/15/peoples-choice-awards-2017-full-list-of-nominees/amp/](https://www.google.com/amp/blog.peopleschoice.com/2016/11/15/peoples-choice-awards-2017-full-list-of-nominees/amp/) Come on, you can’t even give the Hollywood liberals credit for giving HACKSAW RIDGE the nominations it so richly deserved? (And no, I’m not being sarcastic. I’m a die-hard bleeding heart, way to the left of Bernie Sanders liberal, and I deeply admire and respect HACKSAW RIDGE. What’s more, I think Mel Gibson is a great director. His APOCOLYPTO was my favorite movie of the year it came out.) ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/37 "2017-01-24T23:01:01Z")
I’d cheer hard for Yorgos Lanthimos and Efthymis Filippou for The Lobster screenplay, Michael Shannon and Toni Erdmann. Even if they all win, my living room floor will likely be heavily littered with all the popcorn I’ll be enragedly hurling at my TV. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/38 "2017-01-24T23:15:27Z")
Too late to edit (I’m still angry thinking about this 10 min. later…) Even Mel Gibson winning and doing some Lars Von Trier-like clowning won’t redeem this pathetic ceremony. “The human qualities can be expressed in one word: hypocrisy. We praise those who say the right, but wish wrong…mock those who say wrong, but want the right.” - Lars Von Trier ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2016-road-to-the-oscars-thread/773560/39 "2017-01-25T00:16:44Z")
Im generally fine with them… -hated Fences but knew it would be nominated -Arrival is my favorite film this year and I thought Amy Adams gave a terrifically nuanced low key performance. -Dev Patel as supporting actor?WTF? -any time Michelle Williams gets nominated, I’m good. In my opinion she is a top 5 living actress. -Like everyone else, I’m pumped for moonlight. Generally terrible blockbuster movie year so this is what you are left with. Hacksaw Ridge and Arrival was as close as we get. If Captain America was a November movie I’d wager it gets in. ---
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