# The 2017/2018 Trump/GOP tax plan **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442 "2017-09-27T17:47:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/921 "2017-12-18T00:37:43Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What’s wrong with revenue going into private pockets? The U.S. is not a collective. What’s right with giveaways that won’t result in the behavior intended to be subsidized? The US isn’t full of suckers. … or is it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/922 "2017-12-18T12:57:55Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What’s wrong with revenue going into private pockets? Nothing as such, but doing so _instead of_ investing in expansion, modernization, and people is a way to shrink the economy and put people out of jobs. What a stock buyback program gains instead is that a few top managers and investors whose bonuses are tied to stock prices make even more money they can’t use, with some crumbs for 401K owners. It also makes a company harder to take over, helping the gravy train to keep running while preventing stockholders from realizing the value they might otherwise see. IOW The System is Rigged! ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/923 "2017-12-18T15:02:16Z")
McCain is going to miss the tax-bill vote due to ongoing health issues, but if Corker gives the bill his vote (which he has indicated he will,) the Republicans will pass it 51-48, barring any unexpected defections. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/924 "2017-12-18T15:18:13Z")
[Corker was shocked, _shocked_](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/17/corker-after-backing-reconciled-tax-bill-claims-wasnt-aware-new-provision-report.html) to find a new tax break for his real estate shell firms suddenly inserted into the bill. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/925 "2017-12-18T17:05:00Z")
#CorkerKickBack is a big trend on Twitter right now. Would you sell your country out for a million bucks? Bob Corker would. Isn’t that pathetic? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/926 "2017-12-18T17:11:30Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > #CorkerKickBack is a big trend on Twitter right now. > > Would you sell your country out for a million bucks? Bob Corker would. Isn’t that pathetic? I suspect Senator Corker and you have differing definitions of “sell your country out” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/927 "2017-12-18T17:14:30Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > What’s right with giveaways that won’t result in the behavior intended to be subsidized? Returning money to the shareholders is not a giveaway. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/928 "2017-12-18T17:20:31Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I suspect Senator Corker and you have differing definitions of “sell your country out” True. He thought he’d be selling his country out if he voted for the tax bill. Until they put something in there for him. Now his definition has changed. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/929 "2017-12-18T17:25:33Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > … He thought he’d be selling his country out if he voted for the tax bill. … Did he actually say that somewhere on record? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/930 "2017-12-18T17:31:08Z")
[Corker a couple of weeks ago:](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/362850-corker-to-vote-no-on-gop-tax-bill) > [@](#): > > Corker has long said he could vote against the bill if it hiked the deficit, and he reconfirmed to those concerns in his statement. > > “This is yet another tough vote. I am disappointed. I wanted to get to yes. But at the end of the day, I am not able to cast aside my fiscal concerns and vote for legislation that I believe, based on the information I currently have, could deepen the debt burden on future generations," Corker said in a statement. > > He added that while he supports parts of the Senate legislation and believes it could be made more “fiscally sound … it is clear the caucus is in a different place.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/931 "2017-12-18T17:32:18Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Won’t someone think of the children is hardly an original argument, btw. Originality and truth are independent of each other. Most true statements aren’t the least bit original anymore. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/932 "2017-12-18T18:26:42Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Originality and truth are independent of each other. Most true statements aren’t the least bit original anymore. “Thinking of the children” is an opinion, not a truth. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/933 "2017-12-18T18:29:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I suspect Senator Corker and you have differing definitions of “sell your country out” I don’t think we do, no. The difference is, I wouldn’t sell my country out for a million bucks, and he would. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/934 "2017-12-18T18:29:54Z")
It’s a bit more than an opinion; it’s a foundation of most systems of morality. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/935 "2017-12-18T18:48:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s a bit more than an opinion; it’s a foundation of most systems of morality. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/936 "2017-12-18T18:50:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s a bit more than an opinion; it’s a foundation of most systems of morality. It’s also a loaded question in that it implies that no one is thinking of the children. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/937 "2017-12-18T18:53:59Z")
It was a reply to an assertion that defunding CHIP is morally acceptable, with the only stated reason being that thinking of the children is just an opinion. I take it you agree with that, **Nars**? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/938 "2017-12-18T18:55:22Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Cite? If you have to ask … ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/939 "2017-12-18T19:00:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It was a reply to an assertion that defunding CHIP is morally acceptable, with the only stated reason being that thinking of the children is just an opinion. > > I take it you agree with that, **Nars**? I’m not sure what you’re asking me **Elvis.** I don’t know enough about the CHIP program to have an informed opinion of it other than I generally believe that insurance is a good thing. I do have an issue with “Won’t somebody think of the children?” as a trump card when it comes to government expenditures. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442/940 "2017-12-18T19:20:43Z")
> [@](#): > > He added that while he supports parts of the Senate legislation and believes it could be made more “fiscally sound … it is clear the caucus is in a different place.” Well, there ya go! Senator Corker’s definition of “fiscally sound” refers to his personal finances, not the government’s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-2018-trump-gop-tax-plan/797442.md?page=48)