# The 2017 Road to the Oscars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 11, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221 "2017-12-11T18:25:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/21 "2018-01-11T20:44:59Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > This year’s slate: > > Guillermo del Toro – **The Shape of Water** > Greta Gerwig – **Lady Bird** > Martin McDonagh – **Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri** > Christopher Nolan – **Dunkirk** > Jordan Peele – **Get Out** > . I’ve actually seen all of those and would rank them: 1. Get Out 2. Lady Bird 3. Three Billboards 4. Shape of Water 5. Dunkirk Get Out is way, way better than the others in this list, though. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/22 "2018-01-11T21:44:09Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’ve actually seen all of those and would rank them: > > 1. Get Out > 2. Lady Bird > 3. Three Billboards > 4. Shape of Water > 5. Dunkirk That’s how I’d rank them, too. And even if they all don’t get Director nods, they’re almost assuredly all going to get Pic nods (since that category recognizes 8-9 films). The other possible contenders for the remaining slots (again, in order of personal preference): _The Florida Project, Call Me By Your Name, The Big Sick, The Post, Darkest Hour_. And whoever possibly bumps one of these 5 DGA nominees for the Oscar slate will probably be from one of these titles. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/23 "2018-01-12T19:01:27Z")
Well, the Critics Choice Awards have just been announced, and while not as old as the NY or LA Critic Associations, it’s the single group that’s not a guild that most closely reflects the tastes of Oscar voters. For those categories that mirror the Oscars (including a number of tech/craft categories), last year’s Critics Choice selections went 11-for-18 in predicting the Oscars correctly. The year before, 15-for-19. So, not a bad frame of reference. This year’s winners (Oscar categories only): Best Picture **The Shape of Water** Best Director Guillermo del Toro, **The Shape of Water** Best Actor Gary Oldman, **Darkest Hour** Best Actress Frances McDormand, **Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri** Best Supporting Actor Sam Rockwell , \*\*Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri \*\* Best Supporting Acress Allison Janney, **I, Tonya** Best Foreign Language Film **In The Fade** Best Animated Feature **Coco** Best Original Screenplay Jordan Peele, **Get Out** Best Adapted Screenplay James Ivory, **Call Me By your Name** Best Cinematography **Blade Runner 2049** (Roger Deakins) Best Production Design **The Shape of Water** (Paul Denham Austerberry; Shane Vieau, Jeff Melvin) Best Score **The Shape of Water** (Alexandre Desplat) Best Costume Design **Phantom Thread** (Mark Bridges) Best Editing (tie) \*\*Baby Driver \*\*(Paul Machliss, Jonathan Amos) / **Dunkirk** (Lee Smith) Best Visual Effects **War for the Planet of the Apes** Best Hair and Makeup **Darkest Hour** Best Song “Remember Me” from **Coco** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/24 "2018-01-12T20:47:54Z")
I don’t know if it counts as a 2017 release, but “ **Your Name** ” should win best animated movie. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/25 "2018-01-12T21:03:04Z")
you’ve got to admit that for arnie hammer to go from lone ranger punchline to even one of those groups nominating him for anything in 2 or 3 years is something of a come back ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/26 "2018-01-13T00:46:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t know if it counts as a 2017 release, but “ **Your Name** ” should win best animated movie. YOUR NAME was eligible last year. THE RED TURTLE and MY LIFE AS A ZUCCHINI were the foreign titles that were on the nomination slate that year (either of which I’d have preferred to have win over ZOOTOPIA). ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/27 "2018-01-15T05:14:06Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > you’ve got to admit that for arnie hammer to go from lone ranger punchline to even one of those groups nominating him for anything in 2 or 3 years is something of a come back Armie Hammer became a name when he played the Winklevoss twins in The Social Network. A lot of people didn’t realize it wasn’t twin actors in the role. They found out quick enough. Maybe it’s because I haven’t seen The Lone Ranger, but I’ve never known him as a punchline, and I’ve liked him in everything I’ve seen him in. He’s very good in CMBYN but I liked him even better in the other movie he did last year, Free Fire. ---
**Author:** ![Mithril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mithril/32/3517_2.png) [@Mithril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithril)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/28 "2018-01-15T18:05:02Z")
It’s been my goal the past several years to see all of the Best Picture nominees before the Oscars so I can have my own strong opinions about who was robbed. I’ve never gotten to do it, though, because the timeline between nominee announcement and the awards just isn’t that long, I’m pretty busy, and movies are expensive. But now, I have a MoviePass, am laid up a bit with a back injury, and I started with likely suspects before the nominee announcement. Based on buzz only, I decided to see these movies as time and screenings allow (asterisks indicate I have seen them): Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri \*The Shape of Water Dunkirk \*Lady Bird \*I, Tonya Call Me By Your Name \*Get Out \*The Greatest Showman The Disaster Artist The Post \*The Big Sick The Florida Project Mudbound Molly’s Game \*Wonder Woman I’m going to hold off on Dunkirk until it’s officially nominated because I really don’t care for war movies much. I am going to see Three Billboards tomorrow night if a work class gets out early enough. For everything else, I will just try to balance showings. Are there any movies that you folks think are missing from my list of high probability nominees? Until yesterday, I favored"I, Tonya" and thought it had something really special to it in the way the actors played with the camera. But I saw “The Shape of Water” last night. It was outstanding, to say the least. It’s my new front runner. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/29 "2018-01-15T23:22:59Z")
> [@Mithril](#): > > It’s been my goal the past several years to see all of the Best Picture nominees before the Oscars so I can have my own strong opinions about who was robbed. I’ve never gotten to do it, though, because the timeline between nominee announcement and the awards just isn’t that long, I’m pretty busy, and movies are expensive. But now, I have a MoviePass, am laid up a bit with a back injury, and I started with likely suspects before the nominee announcement. > > Based on buzz only, I decided to see these movies as time and screenings allow (asterisks indicate I have seen them): > > Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri > \*The Shape of Water > Dunkirk > \*Lady Bird > \*I, Tonya > Call Me By Your Name > \*Get Out > \*The Greatest Showman > The Disaster Artist > The Post > \*The Big Sick > The Florida Project > Mudbound > Molly’s Game > \*Wonder Woman > > I’m going to hold off on Dunkirk until it’s officially nominated because I really don’t care for war movies much. I am going to see Three Billboards tomorrow night if a work class gets out early enough. For everything else, I will just try to balance showings. > > Are there any movies that you folks think are missing from my list of high probability nominees? > > Until yesterday, I favored"I, Tonya" and thought it had something really special to it in the way the actors played with the camera. But I saw “The Shape of Water” last night. It was outstanding, to say the least. It’s my new front runner. Two additions: DARKEST HOUR is the current front-runner for 2 awards (Actor & Make-up) and is likely to pick up a few more nominations as well. BLADE RUNNER 2049 will probably not get any major attention but will almost certainly be rich in nods in the craft and technical categories. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/30 "2018-01-16T02:30:16Z")
Lucky Phantom Thread ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/31 "2018-01-16T15:25:55Z")
> [@Mithril](#): > > It’s been my goal the past several years to see all of the Best Picture nominees before the Oscars so I can have my own strong opinions about who was robbed. Asimovian and I did that two years ago, and made an abortive attempt last year (he was out of town). I really like getting that perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Mithril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mithril/32/3517_2.png) [@Mithril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithril)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/32 "2018-01-17T17:53:35Z")
Based on the feedback you guys gave me, I added The Darkest Hour, The Phantom Thread, and Lucky to my list. I already saw Blade Runner, so that was easy enough to check off. I spent some time last night researching and planning the rest of my movie watching. It looks like The Disaster Artist is impossible unless it gets put into theaters again after a nomination. James Franco ruined everything. Several of my list are available on Netflix or DVD, which takes pressure off. I saw Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri last night. It was so beautifully acted, and a really nice script. Trying to decide if I liked it better than The Shape of Water is like trying to decide if I like a baked potato or a chocolate cake better. They are so different, and exceptional in their own ways. Saturday will be Call Me By Your Name, if the stars align. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/33 "2018-01-22T18:53:02Z")
Well, the PGAs and SAGs were over the weekend **The Shape of Water** won the Producers Guild top prize The Screen Actors gave their ensemble award to **Three Billboards** with McDormand and Rockwell from the film also winning Actress and Supporting Actor respectively. Oldman and Janney rounded out Actor and Supporting Actress. All the Oscar nominations will be announced early tomorrow morning. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/34 "2018-01-22T18:55:11Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Asimovian and I did that two years ago, and made an abortive attempt last year (he was out of town). I really like getting that perspective. We saw “The Post” over the weekend. Good (not great) movie, and I thought Meryl Streep was amazing. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/35 "2018-01-23T15:19:41Z")
Oscar nominees are out ACADEMY AWARDS NOMINATIONS 2018 **BEST ACTOR** Timothee Chalamet - Call Me By Your Name Daniel Day-Lewis - Phantom Thread Daniel Kaluuya - Get Out Gary OIdman - Darkest Hour Denzel Washington - Roman J. Israel, Esq \*\*BEST ACTRESS \*\* Sally Hawkins - The Shape of Water Frances McDormand - Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri Margot Robbie - I, Tonya Saoirse Ronan - Lady Bird Meryl Streep - The Post \*\*BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS \*\* Mary J Blige - Mudbound Alison Janney - I, Tonya Lesley Manville - Phanton Thread Laurie Metcalf - Ladybird Octavia Spencer - The Shape Of Water \*\*BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR \*\* Willem Dafoe - The Florida Project Woody Harrelson - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri Richard Jenkins - The Shape of Water Christopher Plummer - All the Money in the World Sam Rockwell - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri **BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM** A Fantastic Woman The Insult Loveless On Body and Soul The Square **BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT** Edith + Eddie Heaven is a Traffic Jam on the 405 Heroin(e) Knife Skills Traffic Stop **BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE** Abacus: Small Enough to Jail Faces Places Icarus Last Men in Aleppo Strong Island \*\*BEST ORIGINAL SONG \*\* Mighty River - Mudbound Mystery Of Love - Call Me by Your Name Remember Me - Coco Stand Up For Something - Marshall This Is Me - The Greatest Showman **BEST ANIMATED FEATURE FILM** The Boss Baby The Breadwinner Coco Ferdinand Loving Vincent **BEST ADAPTATED SCREENPLAY** Call Me By Your Name - James Ivory The Disaster Artist - Scott Neustadter and Michael H Weber Logan - Scott Frank, James Mangold and Michael Green Molly’s Game - Aaron Sorkin Mudbound - Virgil Williams and Dee Rees **BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY** The Big Sick - Emily V Gordon and Kumail Nanjiani Get Out - Jordan Peele Lady Bird - Greta Gerwig The Shape of Water - Guillermo del Toro and Vanessa Taylor (story by Guillermo del Toro) Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri - Martin McDonagh **BEST ORIGINAL SCORE** Dunkirk Phantom Thread The Shape of Water Star Wars: The Last Jedi Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri \*\*BEST DIRECTOR \*\* Christopher Nolan - Dunkirk Jordan Peele - Get Out Greta Gerwig - Lady Bird Paul Thomas Anderson - Phantom Thread Guillermo del Toro - The Shape of Water \*\*BEST PICTURE \*\* Call Me By Your Name Darkest Hour Dunkirk Get Out Lady Bird Phantom Thread The Post The Shape of Water Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri \*\*BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY \*\* Bladerunner 2049 Darkest Hour Dunkirk Mudbound Shape of Water **BEST COSTUME DESIGN** Beauty and the Beast Darkest Hour Phantom Thread The Shape of Water Victoria and Abdul **BEST SOUND EDITING** Baby Driver Blade Runner Dunkirk The Shape of Water Star Wars: The Last Jedi **BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM** Dear Basketball Garden Party Lou Negative Space Revolting Rhymes **BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM** DeKalb Elementary The Eleven O’Clock My Nephew Emmet The Silent Child Watu Wota / All of Us **BEST VISUAL EFFECTS** Blade Runner 2049 Guardian of the Galaxy vol. 2 Kong: Skull Island Star Wars: The Last Jedi War for the Planet of the Apes **BEST FILM EDITING** Baby Driver I,Tonya Dunkirk The Shape of Water Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri \*\* BEST SOUND MIXING\*\* Baby Driver Blade Runner Dunkirk The Shape of Water Star Wars: The Last Jedi **BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN** Beauty and the Beast Blade Runner 2049 Darkest Hour Dunkirk The Shape of Water **BEST MAKE UP AND HAIR STYLING** Darkest Hour Victoria & Abdul Wonder ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/36 "2018-01-23T15:27:11Z")
Awesome news for Jordan Peele and the Get Out crew! DIdn’t see Daniel K. as a nominee, but I’m not going to complain!! The noms are a weird mix of blase (Meryl and DDL) and surprising (Get Out’s nominations, Mary J Blige? Logan? Kobe Bryant??) I think a fun lil battle will be for costuming. I would have thought Beauty and the Beast as a shoe-in, but up against a movie that’s literally about clothing? I mean, that has to win right? That all being said, the actual day is probably going to be boring because it’ll be all 3 Billboards and Shape of Water. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/37 "2018-01-23T15:28:41Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Oscar nominees are out > > ACADEMY AWARDS NOMINATIONS 2018 > > **BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE** > > Abacus: Small Enough to Jail > Faces Places > **Icarus** > Last Men in Aleppo > Strong Island I would like to thank everyone who made this possible. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/38 "2018-01-23T15:31:34Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > I would like to thank everyone who made this possible. 😃 Out of the 9 best picture nominees, I’ve seen 1 and I won’t see 4 (I have extreme problems with gore/torture/violence in movies. No one wants me barfing in a theater!). Well, I guess that makes it both more pointless and more doable to watch the remaining ones. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/39 "2018-01-23T15:37:11Z")
I’m a little this way that way about Daniel Kaluuya’s nomination; he spent most of the movie reacting, and it wasn’t a memorable performance to me. Jordan Peele’s nod for direction, though, was wholly deserved. That was a very well composed movie and very cleverly made, IMHO. I thought he nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221/40 "2018-01-23T15:53:32Z")
Here are the tallies 13 - The Shape of Water 8 - Dunkirk 7 - Three Billboards 6 - Darkest Hour, Phantom Thread 5 - Blade Runner 2049, Lady Bird 4 - Call Me By Your Name, Get Out, Mudbound, SW: The Last Jedi 3 - Baby Driver, I Tonya 2 - Beauty and the Beast, Coco, The Post, Victoria & Abdul [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2017-road-to-the-oscars/804221.md?page=3)