# The .22 Rimfire thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 7, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991 "2012-03-07T00:41:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ducati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@ducati](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ducati)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/41 "2012-03-08T23:15:13Z")
I love my Ruger pistols. They’ve got a little learning curve, but it’s not hard once you get the routine down. Here’s a video from Ruger on [disassembly](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGEtudNJua4&feature=related)and [reassembly](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeY9s2TYAOk&feature=related). The hammer is just to ensure a good tight fit between frame and barrel assembly. If you want to avoid all the trouble, do 2 things to every Ruger pistol you have: put a [Paclite](http://www.tacticalsol.com/tshome/tactical-solutions-pac-lite-barrel-upgrade-for-the-ruger-2245-and-mk-series-pistols)upper on it, and remove the mag safety disconnect. With the proper Mark II bushing in a Mark III or 22/45, the magazine flies out, and you don’t have to do the mag dance during dis/assembly. Plus, there’s no one in the background [yelling](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrskUzfpNBQ)… My 22/45 with a Paclite upper, scope, and suppressor weighs less than just the original steel barrel itself. I don’t have any of my vids uploaded just now, but [this guy](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pThraW5Wyc&feature=related) has my same setup. I use quieter CCI subsonic 40grn hollowpoints, so mine’s a lot quieter than this. Remington subs are loud as hell. Stray cats & stereo thumping wiggers? not in my neighborhood! Not really, but I could!😃 ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/42 "2012-03-09T00:20:08Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > When I was experiencing FTF, I called Ruger. The tech said that the MK.II pistols have a ;target chamber’ that is tighter than a ‘sport chamber’ used in other guns such as the 10/22. I was told I should use ammo that was manufactured to higher tolerances (specifically, not Remington). Many years ago I was shooting with my brother (two hitches in the U.S.M.C.) at his indoor range. We had rented a couple of Mark IIs. He had the FTF you describe, and tried to solve it by pushing the slide closed with his thumb. Unfortunately, he was also squeezing the trigger at the same time. He shot me in the leg. I teased him about it for the rest of his life. The last time he called a was a little late answering. When I realized who it was I said: “I am really sorry, Jack. I had to limp to the phone.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/43 "2012-03-09T01:41:31Z")
> [@ducati](#): > > If you want to avoid all the trouble, do 2 things to every Ruger pistol you have: put a [Paclite](http://www.tacticalsol.com/tshome/tactical-solutions-pac-lite-barrel-upgrade-for-the-ruger-2245-and-mk-series-pistols)upper on it, That’s more than I paid for the pistol. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/44 "2012-03-09T02:01:41Z")
The first time you take apart a Ruger Mark, particularly the Mark III with its magazine disconnect, it’s intimidating as hell. Do it 5 times and it should take you no more than 2 minutes to take down and reassemble. It’s mostly difficult because of the tight fit, and that loosens up considerably the more you do it. There are alternatives, however. You can buy a speed strip kit that takes all the hassle out of it, and for the Mark III owners you can very easily remove the magazine disconnect. It requires nothing more than a spacer, and there are kits for that as well if you want something other than a few garden variety washers. The point is, don’t be overly intimidated. It can be hard, but to hear Mark owners describe it it’s the hardest thing ever and don’t ever take the blasted thing apart or you’ll never get it back together. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just like anything else it gets easier the more you do it, and frankly, it’s kind of fun to do if only because it highlights the construction of a unique machine and how simple yet complex they can be. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/45 "2012-03-09T02:51:37Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > The point is, don’t be overly intimidated. It can be hard, but to hear Mark owners describe it it’s the hardest thing ever and don’t ever take the blasted thing apart or you’ll never get it back together. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just like anything else it gets easier the more you do it, and frankly, it’s kind of fun to do if only because it highlights the construction of a unique machine and how simple yet complex they can be. Come over to my house. I’ll buy beer. ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/46 "2012-03-09T02:58:47Z")
I bought one of [these](http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=20217/Product/RUGER-reg-MK-I-MK-II-TAKEDOWN-TOOL) about 8 years ago at a gun show. Very handy for Ruger pistols. The loop of wire pulls open the latch, the plastic end pushes out the barrel bolt pin, and the little wire helps remove the extractor. ---
**Author:** ![ducati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@ducati](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ducati)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/47 "2012-03-09T03:08:07Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That’s more than I paid for the pistol. Oh, come now. You simply have to shop around! I paid 240 for my 22/45 over a year ago. The Paclite upper was 279. Add a hundred bucks for a nice red dot scope, 500 for a suppressor, 200 to the BATF, another 80 for 4 more magazines, and you’ve got a nice quiet .22. And we haven’t even visited the kids at [Volquartsen](https://www.volquartsen.com/category/11-mkiii-conversions/6-mkiii)… Or you could buy a [car](http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=299370911&dealer_id=58135687&car_year=1998&systime=&doors=&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=used&distance=25&min_price=&rdm=1331262037129&drive=&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&sownerid=1328175&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2013&showZipError=n&certified=&engine=&dma=ATLANTA_SW&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&isFlashPlugin=true&transmission=&default_sort=&max_mileage=&color=&address=30326&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=1400&make=&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=21&standard=false). Or a [boat](http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/boa/2887896742.html). We all have our priorities…😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/48 "2012-03-09T03:15:21Z")
The [Beretta 1932](https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=2152&aid=30706&lid=8790428). Put the safety on, pull the slide back and rap the barrel. Barrel comes out of the ejector port. Take the safety off, slide moves off the front of the frame, spring and ejector rod (?) fall out. Some screws on the grips to get at the trigger. Of course, I can’t hit shit with it fifteen feet away, and I could get brain shots at zombies at 30’ with the Ruger. If it doesn’t jam. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/49 "2012-03-09T03:17:40Z")
> [@ducati](#): > > Oh, come now. You simply have to shop around! I paid 240 for my 22/45 over a year ago. The Paclite upper was 279. Add a hundred bucks for a nice red dot scope, 500 for a suppressor, 200 to the BATF, another 80 for 4 more magazines, and you’ve got a nice quiet .22. The scope looks sweet… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/50 "2012-03-09T03:23:11Z")
I thought about buying a short barrel and pistol grip stock for the Mossberg, but if I have to shoot a burglar, I want the cops to find me with a duck gun that just happens to be loaded with #3 buck, not some sexy assault shotgun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/51 "2012-03-09T04:49:06Z")
I have a Remington Model 12 slide action .22 rifle (circa 1935) that belonged to my granddad. [Like this one.](http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1912728/8892683/88c7c13c83dc55caacde381b9176a872.jpg) Great little gun–I need to get out and shoot it more. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/52 "2012-03-09T14:28:21Z")
As I mentioned in the other thread, I already want another gun; and I want it to be MY gun. I’ve got my heart set on a bolt action. I’m thinking about the Savage Mk II or the Marlin 980. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/53 "2012-03-09T16:10:02Z")
The Savage MKII’s sometimes suffer from a problem where they don’t like to reliably eject the spent cartridge. On the other hand, some people love them and never have a problem with them. I’m not sure what the problem is with them and what it takes to fix them if you do run into it, but it’s worth researching. The Savage accutrigger is better than the Marlin trigger. I’ve never shot the Marlin, but I know some folks complain about its trigger being a bit harsh. Overall, though, I think both are fairly decent for the money. If you want something a bit better you might want to look into the CZ-455, but that’s also going to require you to bump up your budget a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/54 "2012-03-09T16:16:46Z")
I have a Ruger Mark III 512 that I really enjoy shooting. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/55 "2012-03-09T18:27:51Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > As I mentioned in the other thread, I already want another gun; and I want it to be MY gun. I’ve got my heart set on a bolt action. I’m thinking about the Savage Mk II or the Marlin 980. > > Thoughts? Marlin makes a great boltgun, triggers can tend to be a little rough, but as your only frame of reference is your 795, and that rifle isn’t particularly known for a nice trigger feel, you may not notice much of a difference If this Marlin has their new adjustable trigger with the safety tab in the center, it may be decent, I have no experience with the new Marlin trigger system I’ve owned Marlin, Savage, and CZ guns, and IME, the Savage AccuTrigger has the best feel of the three stock triggers The absolute best triggers I’ve experienced are a Savage with a Rifle Basix custom trigger, trigger pull was 9 ounces, and the gun was strictly a bench gun, using that gun in the field would be unsafe and irresponsible, you barely had to touch the trigger to fire, and a YoDave trigger shim equipped CZ-452 Trainer Special In all honesty, if you could find a decent used CZ-452 (Trainer, Lux, FS, American, Ultra Lux) I think you’d be very happy, either way you can’t lose ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/56 "2012-03-09T20:04:43Z")
Somebody at work was just telling a scary gun story. How do people manage to do this shit? I didn’t get the whole thing, just the gist, but apparently they were at a party, two guys were talking, one had a handgun. He took the handgun and pointed at the other guy…pointed it away. Pointed it back and somehow pulled the trigger. From like five feet away. Thankfully it hit him in the shoulder (as opposed to the head). Not so thankfully, of course, it went right through, doing massive damage on the way out. How does this even happen? Not only does some crazy asshole get their hands on it, he plays with it like that, and no one around says “Hey, Joe, maybe you ought to put that down?” or better yet, takes it away from him. Sigh. Anyway. I _have_ fired heavier guns before, but only once. So I don’t have a complete dearth of experience in different kinds of trigger pulls; just very little. I’ll do some research on the guns you mention, thank you very much! ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/57 "2012-03-09T21:37:20Z")
Can’t fix stupid **Anaamika**. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/58 "2012-03-09T21:38:45Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > Can’t fix stupid **Anaamika**. They almost _did_, with a Darwin award! ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/59 "2012-03-10T01:44:22Z")
I know from years of shooting experience that it’s often difficult to call someone out about safety if it’s not a blatant violation. Last week while we were shooting skeet one of the fellows who was waiting his turn had his auto loading shotgun over his shoulder with the barrel pointed toward some other shooters. I noticed that the bolt was closed rather than open and asked that he open to bolt so it was easy to see that it was unloaded. He said that it wasn’t a big deal as it was unloaded and we shouldn’t worry. I insisted that he open the bolt or leave the squad. He wasn’t happy but complied. An uncomfortable situation for both of us, and why I shoot an over/under shotgun. Easy to see that it’s safe if it’s broken open. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991/60 "2012-03-10T01:59:16Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > He said that it wasn’t a big deal as it was unloaded and we shouldn’t worry. Asshole. Idiot. Moron. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-22-rimfire-thread/614991.md?page=4)