It would depend hugely on whether the pregnancy was wanted or not. If my wife (hypothetical; I haven’t got one) was on her way to an abortion procedure, and miscarried on the way, I’d still be unhappy about it, because miscarriages are medically scarier than abortions. There’s a greater likelihood of complications. Also, miscarriages are painful and messy. No anaesthesia.
I always say that life begins when love begins. If the woman wants her baby, then it’s a person. If she doesn’t…it ain’t.
Well, that’s quite an illiberal position.
That has frightening implications… What if the baby is never loved, even after it’s born?
As for early miscarriages, how soon do people generally even know they’re pregnant? A lot of spontaneous miscarriages are probably before that point, and so would go completely unmourned by everyone.
Frightening is an understatement.
To start with, it abolishes “all men are created equal.”
So if nobody loves a baby after it is born, you can just throw it in a trash can to die?
I love that baby. So no matter what baby it is, or where it happens to be, it is loved by me, therefore it’s human 
No. The obvious distinction is that prior to birth the foetus has no independent existence - it requires the use of the woman’s body to keep it alive and the woman has rights to how her body is used. But after birth, the child has its own independent existence and therefore no outsider has a right superior to its own right to live.
Suppose you didn’t love it though, and nobody else did.
Is it not a person?
Mothers giving birth to babies they don’t love and don’t want happens often, it’s not just a hypothetical.
So personhood requires either love or birth, but not both. So sometimes it’s a biological milestone and sometimes a vague notion.
I wasn’t being particularly serious… if I had to put a time on when a fetus becomes a “person” I suppose I’d draw the line around viability. But even after viability, I believe that the mother is the boss of her own body, and it’s up to her what to do with her body.
So you’d be okay with abortion up to the day before the due date?
If I say yes, will you finish having your vapors quickly so we can get back to the topic of the thread?
It’s not my body, so it’s not my decision. I might be disturbed by it, but I think it’s wrong to take away a woman’s right to make decisions about her own body.
I’m okay with a woman and her doctor making that decision without my interference.
I’m going to pretend you’re asking a serious question.
Life begins at birth in all cases. But in some cases, life can begin before birth due to love.
These are my opinions. You may have different opinions. You can have all the opinions on this issue you wish - right up to the point where you tell somebody else they have to comply with your opinions.
Perhaps Trinopus was overly poetic about it, but it’s not an untenable position. When the woman makes the choice to carry the pregnancy to term is when one stops thinking of it as a fetus, and starts thinking of it as a baby seems pretty workable to me.
Also, there’s that word “choice” again.
It’s conceivable to me the Americans are gradually shifting pro-life. Unfortunate, but conceivable. It’s a civil right that will be fumbled away, to be fought for by a future generation who has suffered as a result.
I’m sorry, but I find this strange. One is an undeniable biological milestone. The other is about as vague and unrelated to the subject as you can get. I find it downright silly to say one becomes an human when someone else loves them. That implies that a fetus at one day after conception could be a person but another one day before its due date is not a person.
Personhood is entirely dependent on the state of the person (or yet-to-be person).
In any event, this is an easy answer for a religious person, who would simply say God loves the fetus no matter who else does. And that’s a useful way to think of it even if you aren’t religious, because it emphasizes that personhood is about the person, not someone else. Much like “all men are created equal…”
Hey buddy, I’m not telling you you have to comply with anything. I don’t have that power. I’m telling you my opinion of your opinion, which is the point of this forum. If you don’t like that, don’t offer your opinions for criticism.
Not for deciding the issue of legality of abortion. Only for making the choice to abort or not. It assumes choice, it doesn’t argue for it.
And this would imply that a woman could abort right up to just before birth - even Roe didn’t extend choice that far.
So you believe that it would be perfectly okay to abort the day before the due date. Or even during labor. Well past the date of viability. Well past when even Roe. v. Wade said the state had the power to ban abortion.
That’s quite an extreme position. Very few pro-choicers share that position. In a poll from December, 80% of American said they think third-trimester abortions should be illegal*. Many doctors who would do an early abortion would probably refuse to do an abortion that late.