# The absolute answer to our Nations difficulty... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 29, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776 "2011-07-29T21:21:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/21 "2011-07-30T02:08:29Z")
**lightwait** , I am guessing that your OP was a form of witnessing, hence its placement in Great debates. Unfortunately, I have no idea what you are actually witnessing for–and I suspect that all the other poster share my confusion. I guess I will leave this thread in GD, but I suspect that it is not going to garner much reaction beyond ridicule unless you can post with a bit more clarity. (And, depending on what you are actually trying to say, ridicule is not ruled out as a possibility even if your text is absolutely clear to all.) [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/22 "2011-07-30T07:54:10Z")
> [@lightwait](#): > > The absolute answer…and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now. > > We have all of the spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities to come to a place of perfection. When we believe and then act out that belief, it is called faith — we are to go into the world and give them the abilities we have been given. We are to freely teach other nations and cultures how to do the things we have already learned — the learned abilities that have given us the wonderful way of life we now possess. Ethnocentrism. Got it. We are the best, all others suck. They will not laugh. They will not cry. They will learn by the numbers we will teach them. > [@](#): > > The “what about me” attitude that we in the US and other modern/western cultural nations have now, will be replaced by all of the differing cultural aspects inculcated into our spirit, and then our acts of faith, when we freely help other nations engage in our growing form of life on this planet, will cause others to have the life we have been given. HEY WAIT A MINUTE! What’s this crap about differing cultural aspects? I thought we were going for a Borg approach here. “Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.” You can’t be ethnocentric and diverse at the same time! ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/23 "2011-07-30T10:30:21Z")
> [@lightwait](#): > > The absolute answer…and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now. Ahh but what is the question. > [@lightwait](#): > > We have all of the spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities to come to a place of perfection. Some of us are already there and are waiting for the rest of you to catch up. > [@lightwait](#): > > When we believe and then act out that belief, it is called faith — we are to go into the world and give them the abilities we have been given. We are to freely teach other nations and cultures how to do the things we have already learned — the learned abilities that have given us the wonderful way of life we now possess. I cannot teach those who will not be taught. > [@lightwait](#): > > Moreover, in essence, the process will be the downfall of Babylon. Because of the growth other nations with make from our freely giving to them, our Nation will fall from what we are now, by our growth from the state we are in now, to a new and higher way of life — Babylon will be replaced by a greater entity. The “what about me” attitude that we in the US and other modern/western cultural nations have now, will be replaced by all of the differing cultural aspects inculcated into our spirit, and then our acts of faith, when we freely help other nations engage in our growing form of life on this planet, will cause others to have the life we have been given. That’s beautiful. Is that from Bob Marley? > [@lightwait](#): > > This is simple, and, an absolute way for all of mankind to reach a place of perfection. Movement of jah people! > [@lightwait](#): > > I am not the author of this truth — we must, and are now required, to partake of the “Tree of Life” and live. And then we must destroy that tree so it can never threaten us again! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/24 "2011-07-30T12:20:18Z")
Wait…so what are we supposed to do then? Did I miss it, or did the OP just forget to include that bit? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/25 "2011-07-30T12:42:40Z")
Crap, now I’ve got the tune to “By the Rivers of Babylon” stuck in my head. Thanks loads. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/26 "2011-07-30T12:43:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I think what he’s saying is that we need to pass a constitutional amendment that says “Be perfect”. No, I think he’s saying “Be Excellent to Each Other.” It’s good advice, actually. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/27 "2011-07-30T14:00:44Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > No, I think he’s saying “Be Excellent to Each Other.” It’s good advice, actually. And party on, dudes! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/28 "2011-07-30T16:09:13Z")
After reading the op’s opening thread multiple times I have the perfect debate question: cite? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/29 "2011-07-30T20:19:33Z")
This reminds me of a great Buddha quote I ran across in the latest Harper’s: > [@](#): > > They do not listen to the good teachings; nor do they try to understand them; they simply give themselves up to the present interest, to wealth and to lust. I’m pretty sure that applies to advice that makes sense, too. ---
**Author:** ![lightwait](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@lightwait](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lightwait)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/30 "2011-08-01T17:36:36Z")
The majority of these posts profess the typical attitude and spirit the nations of the world see in the United States — **US** , **US** , **US** , from a “What about me?” nation of idiot savants. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776/31 "2011-08-01T17:38:17Z")
**lightwait** , the problem here is that no one understood what you were trying to say. You can start a new thread if you think you can explain yourself clearly. I’m closing this one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolute-answer-to-our-nations-difficulty/590776.md?page=1)