# The Absolutely F'd-Up, Weird-Ass, Sick and Horrible Case of Colonel Russell Williams **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 9, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225 "2010-02-09T02:44:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/61 "2010-02-12T15:53:16Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > Not by definition, no, but those with excessive amounts of it might have some overactive bees in their bonnets, yes. Or, alternately, sociopaths might be more likely to be driven and ambitious than the average person. If one has that and the right ability to fit in to the environment and not bristle under the serious discipline required to be in the military, you might well see this result. My total WAG about the Bernardo thing is, who knows, maybe this guy heard about the Bernardo killings and thought “hmm, all these unsolved crimes - I guess if you’re smart, you can get away with this,” and was inspired to act out some of his impulses. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/62 "2010-02-12T16:06:11Z")
Yeah, that’s a better way of putting it. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/63 "2010-02-12T16:14:03Z")
> [@Mahna\_Mahna](#): > > \ Serial Killer BFFs. New Fox series? It’s Karla Homolka, by the way, for anyone who wants to go search on a truly messed-up woman. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/64 "2010-02-12T16:18:02Z")
This is a great advertisement for the Scarborough campus. ---
**Author:** ![cgg419](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cgg419/32/2847_2.png) [@cgg419](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cgg419)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/65 "2010-02-12T16:53:11Z")
> [@Mahna\_Mahna](#): > > Personally, I think the Bernardo angle is tenuous at best, at least in terms of what’s been presented in the linked article. > > I partied with plenty of people in university ten years ago, and I’d probably be hard-pressed to remember more than a dozen of them at this stage. > > The fact that they were both in the economics program doesn’t mean much, either. There were ~200 of us with my major in my graduating class, and I don’t remember anyone. Hell, I had several smaller classes (like, under 15 students), and I can’t even remember even a single classmate’s name from those. > > Yeah, it’s totally plausible that they’d have crossed paths on campus and might even have been in the same room at the same time on more than one occasion, but they’re going to have to find something more solid that “they partied together” as a sign that they were Serial Killer BFFs. It is tenuous, but it also deserves to be looked into. The article seems to just be sensationalizing the whole idea, but at the same time, the odds must be insanely long (no pun intended) for this to happen. Two serial killers, in the same school, same class, same time, that also happened to be at least casual acquaintances? It’s not out of the realm of possibility that this could lead somewhere. On another note, the bastard is literally being held just down the street from my apartment. I kind of figured, that place gets the worst of the worst from the whole province while they await trial. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![dhkendall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9adbd/32.png) [@dhkendall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dhkendall)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/66 "2010-02-12T17:24:43Z")
I remember when I was in my QL2 (aka basic training) in Dundurn, SK. Without too much exaggeration, I can safely say I was probably the only one in my platoon who wasn’t all “when do we get our guns?” pretty much every day. (I once found a live round where there wasn’t supposed to be one, I followed procedure and reported it to my sargeant, but I _know_ that if any of my other basic trainees were to have found it, they _would_ have pocketed it. Maybe that’s why I only stayed in the forces for 6 months. (About 15 years ago. Marianas Trench was not involved.) ---
**Author:** ![ThePylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@ThePylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThePylon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/67 "2010-02-12T17:35:09Z")
> [@dhkendall](#): > > I remember when I was in my QL2 (aka basic training) in Dundurn, SK. Without too much exaggeration, I can safely say I was probably the only one in my platoon who wasn’t all “when do we get our guns?” pretty much every day. Yeah, but - he was a freakin’ bus driver… not exactly a “durr durr guns” kind of thing. Apparantly, he flew the Queen around… ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/68 "2010-02-12T17:43:10Z")
> [@dhkendall](#): > > I remember when I was in my QL2 (aka basic training) in Dundurn, SK. Without too much exaggeration, I can safely say I was probably the only one in my platoon who wasn’t all “when do we get our guns?” pretty much every day. I told you – not until you tell me your name. ---
**Author:** ![dhkendall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9adbd/32.png) [@dhkendall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dhkendall)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/69 "2010-02-12T18:36:54Z")
> [@ThePylon](#): > > Yeah, but - he was a freakin’ bus driver… not exactly a “durr durr guns” kind of thing. > > Apparantly, he flew the Queen around… Well, that just gave me the impression that everyone in the military - from the generals down to us dregs - was just waiting for their guns and that wasn’t a good fit for me. > [@friedo](#): > > I told you – not until you tell me your name. I’ve had it up to HERE with your freakin’ RULES, man! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/70 "2010-02-12T18:40:55Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I told you – not until you tell me your name. He told you once. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/71 "2010-02-12T18:42:41Z")
> [@ThePylon](#): > > Yeah, but - he was a freakin’ bus driver… not exactly a “durr durr guns” kind of thing. > > Apparantly, he flew the Queen around… Anyone else picturing Lizzy flying around the yard, this guy on her back, with her dress flapping in the breeze? ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/72 "2010-02-12T18:47:35Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Anyone else picturing Lizzy flying around the yard, this guy on her back, with her dress flapping in the breeze? “Wheeeeeee!” ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/73 "2010-02-13T17:31:52Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Anyone else picturing Lizzy flying around the yard, this guy on her back, with her dress flapping in the breeze? I am _now_. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/74 "2010-04-05T15:50:46Z")
And back in the news today, Colonel Williams [attempts suicide](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/accused-sex-killer-col-russell-williams-attempts-jailhouse-suicide/article1522610/) while in jail. > [@](#): > > Using a cardboard toilet roll stuffed with more foil and cardboard, Col. Williams stuffed it down his throat in an apparent bid to suffocate himself, sources said. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/75 "2010-04-05T16:45:08Z")
In case it wasn’t clear enough already, this is not a normal individual. :eek:😕:o ---
**Author:** ![cgg419](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cgg419/32/2847_2.png) [@cgg419](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cgg419)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/76 "2010-04-05T16:54:42Z")
Saw that this morning. Damn, isn’t he full of regret now that he got caught :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/77 "2010-04-05T18:51:47Z")
I can’t even imagine how you’d come up with that particular plan to kill yourself. I mean - toilet paper roll and aluminum foil? McGyver could have diffused a nuclear bomb, but the leap to “commit suicide with it” is not something my brain can grasp. Good think I’m not suicidal - I’d clearly fail at doing it creatively! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/78 "2010-04-06T05:22:05Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > And back in the news today, Colonel Williams [attempts suicide](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/accused-sex-killer-col-russell-williams-attempts-jailhouse-suicide/article1522610/) while in jail. He’s supposed to put the tinfoil hat on _top_ of his head. ---
**Author:** ![Perciful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Perciful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Perciful)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/79 "2010-04-06T13:41:11Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > There are two types of [serial killers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer#Organized.2Fnonsocial_offenders): organized and disorganized. Most people think of disorganized when they hear the term, but the organized are far more deadly. > > Ann Rule was a former police woman and a true crime writer. She knew about criminals. Yet she never recognized that her friend Ted Bundy was a serial killer until he was arrested. He was truly “The Stranger Beside Me.” > > Williams is obviously an extremely organized serial killer. I never saw it either in an interview with Jeffery Dalmer a few months before his death. Williams was definitely organized. That is what makes them so bizarre. They are working and functioning and have this secret life. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225/80 "2010-04-06T13:47:39Z")
Do you mean Dahmer or Bundy? Dahmer kept corpses in his apartment and never deniede what he did. Bundy hid corpses in caves and went back to visit them, and denied the murders until the night before his execution. Dahmer was disorganized; Bundy was organized. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-absolutely-fd-up-weird-ass-sick-and-horrible-case-of-colonel-russell-williams/528225.md?page=5)