# The Adventures of The Special Master

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [August 29, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523 "2022-08-29T12:31:54Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/141 "2022-09-30T23:13:43Z")

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I think we know how the Pope feels about him, though:

[![](https://i.imgur.com/9LiKRy7.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/9LiKRy7.png)

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/142 "2022-10-02T00:29:02Z")

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> [@Skypist](#):
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> Of course, his followers still didn’t hear anything about it when all his election fraud claims were finally drummed out of court.

Oh, they heard. The problem is they didn’t listen.

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**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/143 "2022-10-02T19:26:36Z")

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Or they listened and didn’t care.

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/144 "2022-10-02T22:05:28Z")

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Or they just want his lies to be true and therefore they must be true to them.

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**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/145 "2022-10-03T02:53:53Z")

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It’s just one anecdote, but I recently saw a reporter ask a MAGAt woman about the “stolen election,” and she said that trump had evidence but the courts wouldn’t look at it.

I’m figuring if most of them listen to only Fox or worse, they’ll barely even know about this classified document scandal or will believe it’s merely a records storage dispute as they are told.

Also, my parents are unfortunately trumpies and the message they are getting is that Obama threw all his presidential records into an abandoned furniture store. So meh, Democrats are just making a big deal about trump’s treatment of presidential records when Obama and even Bush II did the same thing.

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**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/146 "2022-10-03T22:12:30Z")

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> [@Skypist](#):
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> It’s just one anecdote, but I recently saw a reporter ask a MAGAt woman about the “stolen election,” and she said that trump had evidence but the courts wouldn’t look at it.

Here’s a small excerpt from a screed a FOAF posted on Facebook. It was a real pressured speech, run on of paragraphs with no punctuation.

> , not a shred of evidence against trump only a stolen election treasonous supreme court justices who refuse to see evidence ,

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/147 "2022-10-03T23:58:55Z")

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You should reply, ‘You’re right. Except for all the mountains (plural) of evidence against your MESSiah, the complete absence of evidence of a stolen election, and Trump’s Own Supreme Court Justices who don’t like Treason.’

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/148 "2022-10-04T00:01:36Z")

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> [@outlierrn](#):
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> > Skypist  
> > , not a shred of evidence against trump only a stolen election **treasonous supreme court justices** who refuse to see evidence ,

My bold.

B-b-b-but I thought the Supremes were trumpie’s pals? 😵‍💫

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/149 "2022-10-04T06:50:50Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> B-b-b-but I thought the Supremes were trumpie’s pals?

Only if they were white and he could grab them by the p~.

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**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\
**Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/150 "2022-10-04T14:50:27Z")

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If I am not mistaken, Trump’s lawyers have never alleged ‘stolen election’ in court.

I specifically remember that in Pennsylvania, a Judge asked if they were alleging fraud and they answered NO.

Am I wrong?

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**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\
**Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/151 "2022-10-04T15:56:08Z")

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You’re not wrong:

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> Attorneys disciplined, punished for election claims  
> Attorney Rudy Giuliani conceded in a lawsuit that he was not alleging fraud as a matter of law but still had his license to practice law in New York suspended after an appellate court said he made false and misleading statements about the 2020 election. Another Trump attorney, Sidney Powell, who had alleged that the Dominion Voting Systems machines could switch votes from Trump to Biden, responded to a defamation lawsuit by claiming that “no reasonable person” would have believed her.

Up, you cannot make this stuff.

[**SOURCE**](https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1992/false-claims-by-attorneys-about-trump-election-result)

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**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\
**Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/152 "2022-10-04T18:38:58Z")

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> Sidney Powell, who had alleged that the Dominion Voting Systems machines could switch votes from Trump to Biden, responded to a defamation lawsuit by claiming that “no reasonable person” would have believed her.

True. Problem was, she wasn’t aiming her rhetoric at reasonable people, she was talking to Trump and his Magats.

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2022, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/153 "2022-10-05T03:16:05Z")

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> [@DavidNRockies](#):
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> Up, you cannot make this stuff.

Yep. Seriously, none of this would’ve made it into a TV show or novel. It’s just too far away from suspension of disbelief. Hey, maybe that’s what they’re going for!

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**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/154 "2022-10-06T21:15:50Z")

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Sounds like what Judge Loose Cannon called “medical records” that could be leaked and cause trump “irreparable injury” was just that stupid letter released by trump’s doctor in 2016 declaring trump a perfect physical specimen (LOL).

> **[“The more we learn, the worse things look”: Court error exposes judge's...](https://www.salon.com/2022/10/06/the-more-we-learn-the-worse-things-look-error-exposes-judges-obvious-sympathy/)**
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> Judge Aileen Cannon's descriptions of potentially privileged documents are in stark contrast with the actual docs.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/155 "2022-10-06T21:45:41Z")

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I’m starting to wonder if we got Cannon all wrong. Maybe she isn’t in the tank for Trump. Maybe she isn’t biased toward him. Maybe she just doesn’t know what she’s doing.

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**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/156 "2022-10-06T21:50:33Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> Maybe she just doesn’t know what she’s doing.

I don’t think it is possible to _be_ that stupid and pass the bar.

However, IANAL.

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**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/157 "2022-10-06T22:12:02Z")

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There was that old BBC show “Rumpole of the Bailey” where he asked, what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 85?

Me Lud.

Or your honor, I guess.

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**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/158 "2022-10-06T22:35:46Z")

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> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#):
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> I don’t think it is possible to _be_ that stupid and pass the bar.

Sometimes, I wonder very similar things about Ben Carson or Dr Oz - though in their cases, they apparently were actually pretty good at the surgery part even if they are Dunning-Kruger Overdrive personified otherwise.

> [@Tatterdemalion](#):
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> There was that old BBC show “Rumpole of the Bailey” where he asked, what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 85?

There’s an old joke that goes “what do you call the person who graduates dead last from law school?”

A lawyer

Also works for medical school or any other specialty school.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/159 "2022-10-06T22:59:52Z")

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> [@Great\_Antibob](#):
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> Sometimes, I wonder very similar things about Ben Carson or Dr Oz - though in their cases, they apparently were actually pretty good at the surgery part even if they are Dunning-Kruger Overdrive personified otherwise.

I spent more than a year doing technical support for a medical software company. We provided software to clinics all over the US, and some in other parts of the world. In many cases I worked directly with doctors, especially in smaller clinics, as they were often the primary users of the software, and sometimes even were responsible for setting up the computer equipment and network.

It ran the full range, from people that seemed like they’d struggle to tie their shoes, to foks who were so sharp they’d pick up on what you were doing right away and even collaborated with the troubleshooting itself (helping **me** out directly in the process).

A person can be a really good doctor and bad at other things, or even anything else. I’m sure everyone has known the person who is a genius in one particular field and yet can barely take care of themselves.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-adventures-of-the-special-master/970523/160 "2022-10-06T23:05:07Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> I’m sure everyone has known the person who is a genius in one particular field and yet can barely take care of themselves…

True. But the really dumb ones don’t cut you open with sharp instruments and mess with your insides. Mostly.

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