# The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509 "2015-04-25T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/181 "2015-05-04T03:17:22Z")
Saw it Friday - it was fun and entertaining, but I agree with those saying that it’s a notch (or two) below the first Avengers, or GOTG (which is not a fair comparison; GOTG had a much different tone). Is it just me or did ScarJo seem much more - um, _enhanced_ than last time? I might recall that she was pregnant during filming? That would explain the need for a bodysuit with a bit more room in the chest. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/182 "2015-05-04T03:18:51Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Saw it Friday - it was fun and entertaining, but I agree with those saying that it’s a notch (or two) below the first Avengers, or GOTG (which is not a fair comparison; GOTG had a much different tone). > > Is it just me or did ScarJo seem much more - um, _enhanced_ than last time? I might recall that she was pregnant during filming? That would explain the need for a bodysuit with a bit more room in the chest. I believe one of her costars described her as “very pregnant” during filming, and that her body had to be heavily CGId. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/183 "2015-05-04T03:23:08Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Very much. The main Marvel comic universe is 616. Alternate universe stories take place in different numbered universes. Was wondering, the bus has a designation of shield 616, and one of those facebook trending articles also mentioned it. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/184 "2015-05-04T03:34:42Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > One last thing: isn’t it about time people quit needed Trigger Warnings every time a building falls down? Ooh, it reminds me of 9/11! That was a long time ago now. Let buildings fall down. They do in action movies. People die too! Although I agree with most of the rest of this post, I was amused at this comment. While we were waiting for the midcredits scene, the people behind me were commenting on how 9/11y that scene was. And then someone pointed out that _Man of Steel_ knocked down even _more_ buildings, _with_ people still in them, and didn’t bother to show any of the ground-level aftereffects. This was a building they specifically called out as completely empty, yet they _still_ showed that the people around it were kind of traumatized. I think Whedon was using more than Sokovia to refute the dark grim high-collateral-damage superhero movie thing. Otherwise, I was also amused that they basically turned the Scarlet Witch into Jean Gray - Maria Hill rattled off “[something] telepathy, [something] telekinesis, [other thing] - basically she’s just weird”. Jean Gray’s random powers seem to be a bit more explainable than hex bolts + chaos magic, I guess. Same reason that the Vision didn’t have his density control powers. My only real complaints with the movie were two: Falcon was specifically in _pararescue_; if Fury was showing up for a rescue operation (as he seemed to know would be needed), why not bring the rescue guy along? (for that matter, did they really have a helicarrier mothballed within a day’s travel to Sokovia?) The other problem was that I think they made Banner’s characterization inconsistent. He first allows himself to be argued by Tony into making Ultron. Given what we know of his concerns about the dangers of power, he should not have then allowed himself to be argued into creating the Vision, too. That would have been better served, I think, by having him originally argue that they should put the Jarvis AI into the Iron Legion, so when Tony’s idea turns out to be pants he could then conceed that Bruce had been right. (also: Thor shows up and jumpstarts the Vision without telling his teammates for increased dramatic tension… but that’s the same thing they’d been on Tony’s case about.) However, this was an astonishing film even with quibbles, just because of how ambitious it was: It was a summer blockbuster, that included quite a bit of character development. It introduced a bunch of new characters, to deal with upcoming contract expirations. And still managed to have all the many main characters meaningfully contribute. It set up the _Infinity War_ storyline. It set up _Captain America: Civil War_. It set up _Thor: Ragnarok_. The _Superman v Batman: Dawn of Justice_ trailer was one of the (many, many) previews we saw. I have no confidence that movie will be even a fraction as successful as this one, at accomplishing even half the tasks that the producers obviously set for _Age of Ultron_. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/185 "2015-05-04T04:31:42Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Otherwise, I was also amused that they basically turned the Scarlet Witch into Jean Gray - Maria Hill rattled off “[something] telepathy, [something] telekinesis, [other thing] - basically she’s just weird”. Jean Gray’s random powers seem to be a bit more explainable than hex bolts + chaos magic, I guess. Same reason that the Vision didn’t have his density control powers. I was thinking they weren’t going to do the density thing, but didn’t Vision phase at least his fists through a couple of Ultronites? It looked like he did, which makes me happy if I’m not wrong. I also thought Scarlet Witch seemed Jean Greyish. No mention at all about what Wanda & Pietro are. Specials, enhanced, powered, but no hint at all about a class of mutant or Inhuman-like people with genetic potential. Ultron said "I see why you two were the only survivors of von Strucker’s experiments, but that told us absolutely nothing. So, In the X-Men movies Quicksilver is a random suburban teenager without a twin sister, and in Avengers he gets offed so there is only a Scarlet Witch. Is that how the contract negotiations between the two studios worked out? Each franchise gets one? Kinda sucks. Speaking of trailers before the movie, the three that stuck out were Ant Man, Fantastic Four and Star Wars. Ant Man looks like it might not be so hot. I’d love to know what the original director was going to do with it, but it looks like it’s suffered from too many cooks. Possibly a dud. FF looks like a bomb. No way I’m wasting the price of a theater ticket. Why do they keep bothering? Star Wars got me stoked. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/186 "2015-05-04T05:13:55Z")
Well, Vision definitely phases in/solid outs a few mooks, but isn’t density change how he flies? I suppose I’m pronouncing it wrong, but every time I see Cobie Smulders I think ‘yes she does.’ ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/187 "2015-05-04T05:40:33Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I believe one of her costars described her as “very pregnant” during filming, and that her body had to be heavily CGId. I’d heard that, so I watched for it, and yes, you can tell in a few shots. The party scene where she’s talking with Banner shows a baby bump… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/188 "2015-05-04T06:29:22Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > It’s funny that my one major ’ _that makes no sense_’ moment, no one else has even mentioned. And that is that Ultron’s plan for a planet killing event just wasn’t going to work. > > Spoilery Just in case. > > [Spoiler] The chunk of city is not going to cause anything even close to an extinction level event, no matter how high it goes. It was funny when the chunk was at some (air is getting thin) height, 20,000 feet or whatever, and someone comments that it is going to cause Billions of deaths. > > Bzzt. Wrong. It would cause significant damage to the rest of the city underneath it, but that’s about it. This chunk of rock, even if sped up by the reverse vibranium thrusters is going to get nowhere near the velocities that an actual extinction level asteroid reaches which IIRC is multiple 10 of thousands of kilometres per hour. [/Spoiler] My understanding was that it was the vibranium cone at the bottom that was going to do all the damage, because magic metal. And I’m not spoilering anything because this is page 2 of the seen-it thread. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/189 "2015-05-04T06:34:23Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > One last thing: isn’t it about time people quit needed Trigger Warnings every time a building falls down? Ooh, it reminds me of 9/11! That was a long time ago now. Let buildings fall down. They do in action movies. People die too! For me, it wasn’t about triggers so much as it being a tired aesthetic. Ooh, building fall down? Guess it’s time for the cloud of dust rushing down the street and all the dust-covered people wandering like low-rent zombies, two beats later, then! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/190 "2015-05-04T06:43:31Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Nah. Those are the ancient, overly righteous, soupy, superheroes of Yesteryear. The ones who save everyone You misunderstand. I’m not glad that they save everyone (which, I doubt they did), I’m glad that they even speak about it, and try. Rather than just focusing on fighting the villain. Because yes, I want super_heroes_, not just super_fighters_. > [@](#): > > I like the dark superhero, the one with tragic faults, the one who knows they can’t save everyone, especially with supervillians trying to kill them. I want all sorts. That’s why this team is good - everyone from the guy _without_ the faults (Cap) to the guy who’s _nothing but_ a raging ball of faults. Because all-grimdark,all-the-time is as boring as that Major All-American caricature you cut out of whole straw, since neither **Alessan** nor I said anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/191 "2015-05-04T07:27:10Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Also… Vision should have had a penis. Yes. If you’re going to bother giving him a male form, give him some budgie smugglers for heaven’s sake. He’s not a Ken doll or a Transformer. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/192 "2015-05-04T07:46:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I also thought Scarlet Witch seemed Jean Greyish. Or more specifically Dark Phoenix Jean from the third film - I think it’s the maroon leather jacket coupled with the hair colour that does it, not just the powers. > [@](#): > > So, In the X-Men movies Quicksilver is a random suburban teenager without a twin sister But he does have a younger rehead sister. The one in the pink princess outfit. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/193 "2015-05-04T07:47:37Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yes. If you’re going to bother giving him a male form, give him some budgie smugglers for heaven’s sake. He’s not a Ken doll or a Transformer. Given how he shapechanged - adding the cape, etc - I think he’ll be able to perform quite adequately should the need arise. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/194 "2015-05-04T08:18:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Or more specifically Dark Phoenix Jean from the third film - I think it’s the maroon leather jacket coupled with the hair colour that does it, not just the powers.But he does have a younger rehead sister. The one in the pink princess outfit. Oh yeah, I forgot that. He does have a sister. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/195 "2015-05-04T11:29:02Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Speaking of trailers before the movie, the three that stuck out were Ant Man, Fantastic Four and Star Wars. Ant Man looks like it might not be so hot. I’d love to know what the original director was going to do with it, but it looks like it’s suffered from too many cooks. Possibly a dud. FF looks like a bomb. No way I’m wasting the price of a theater ticket. Why do they keep bothering? Star Wars got me stoked. What?!? Did you see it in 3D? I was wondering if they’d get to see the Star Wars trailer; we didn’t, although you’d think since both are Disney with a huge fanbase overlap it would’ve been a no-brainer… Even though I’ve seen the trailer, I wanted to see it on the big screen. Instead, we got _Ant-Man_ (looked iffy), _Fantastic Four_ (looked terrible), some ridiculous disaster thing with the Rock (looked even worse), the next _Mission Impossible_ (Tom Cruise looks really, really old; don’t break a hip, Tom), _Tommorowland_ (eh), _Jurassic World_ (Chris Prat yay, otherwise eh). ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/196 "2015-05-04T12:03:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Speaking of which, I thought the relationships were fairly clumsily handled. Seemed to be that we were being lead down the path of Hawkeye and Black Widow are mixing and matching genitalia… then, “Surprise! Hawkeye has a wife and kids! Oh, and Natasha is getting it on with Banner.” I figured that was all part of the cover story to keep the wife & kids secret. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/197 "2015-05-04T12:09:09Z")
How were being led down that path? Because the two characters cared about each other very much, you assumed they were romantically involved? As far as I could see, nothing in their relationship in the first film was any different from that of two very close heterosexual male or female friends. Did you catch how Hawkeye’s kids called the Black Widow “Auntie Nat”? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/198 "2015-05-04T12:42:08Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Yes, one detail I remember in the blur of stupid is Captain America whipping the motorcycle _he is riding_ at the mooks ahead to take them out. > > It’s one thing for the CGI to be bad and make physics look wrong, but that’s just physically impossible no matter how strong you are. You simply can’t throw an object heavier than you are with leverage against a stationary or sufficiently heavy object. I can’t make it sound as ridiculous as it actually looked. You realize that in the comics The Hulk is capable of jumping to the moon, right? Physics? You’re looking in the wrong place. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/199 "2015-05-04T12:45:13Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How were being led down that path? Because the two characters cared about each other very much, you assumed they were romantically involved? As far as I could see, nothing in their relationship in the first film was any different from that of two very close heterosexual male or female friends. > > Did you catch how Hawkeye’s kids called the Black Widow “Auntie Nat”? This only bit of misdirection I _might_ call out would be the necklace that Romanov wore in _Winter Soldier_. The first Avengers movie didn’t make me think I was expected to believe they were romantically involved- just respected colleagues who had seen some serious shit together. It was the arrow necklace in _Winter Soldier_ that got me wondering- though not assuming- if we’d later find out they were romantically involved. And it’s entirely possible that’s what the Russos meant by it when they had the costuming department whip up the necklace. It definitely seemed it was meant to be a gift from Barton. Not as definitively romantic a gift as a ring or even a bracelet, but still it’s jewelry- and jewelry that _specifically_ is themed to the person who made it a gift (presumably). But it’s entirely possible that the nature of the Romanov/Barton relationship was still open for interpretation when the Russos made _Winter Soldier_ but later on Feige and/or Whedon decided to take it in a different direction. I don’t feel like I was misdirected, but I do feel like the necklace made for valid assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/200 "2015-05-04T12:48:39Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > You realize that in the comics The Hulk is capable of jumping to the moon, right? > > Physics? You’re looking in the wrong place. Heck, in the first Avengers movie, the Hulk stopped one of those giant flying Chitauri creatures in its tracks by punching it really hard. Momentum shmomentum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=11)