# The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509 "2015-04-25T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/201 "2015-05-04T12:59:17Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > You realize that in the comics The Hulk is capable of jumping to the moon, right? > > Physics? You’re looking in the wrong place. It’s funny you mention this because when Ms. Cups saw it over the weekend with a friend of hers one of her comments to me was “I didn’t know Hulk could fly” “Uh…he can’t. He just jumps really really hard” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/202 "2015-05-04T13:33:37Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I figured that was all part of the cover story to keep the wife & kids secret. For what it’s worth, this wasn’t a surprise to people that read comic books. The fact that Hawkeye is married and has a family is a prominent feature in the Ultimates universe. There was the contrast between this guy who was a cold-blooded black ops killer by day but who went home to be a loving husband and father. And then Loki killed his family and framed Captain America for it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/203 "2015-05-04T13:44:59Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Heck, in the first Avengers movie, the Hulk stopped one of those giant flying Chitauri creatures in its tracks by punching it really hard. Momentum shmomentum. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > It’s funny you mention this because when Ms. Cups saw it over the weekend with a friend of hers one of her comments to me was “I didn’t know Hulk could fly” > > “Uh…he can’t. He just jumps really really hard” Speaking of comic book physics, I remember a scene from the Hulk TV series. The bad guys were trying to escape in a helicopter. Hulk reached up and grabbed the helicopter’s landing gear and pulled it back down to the ground. Even with just my high school knowledge of physics, I was pretty sure that trick wouldn’t have worked. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/204 "2015-05-04T13:50:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Speaking of comic book physics, I remember a scene from the Hulk TV series. The bad guys were trying to escape in a helicopter. Hulk reached up and grabbed the helicopter’s landing gear and pulled it back down to the ground. Even with just my high school knowledge of physics, I was pretty sure that trick wouldn’t have worked. Depends on what the lift capacity of the chopper was and how much the Hulk weighs. If it’s a smallish copter with 3-4 people already on board and the Hulk weighs in the neighborhood of half a ton, I could see him preventing it from lifting off. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/205 "2015-05-04T13:54:45Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Depends on what the lift capacity of the chopper was and how much the Hulk weighs. If it’s a smallish copter with 3-4 people already on board and the Hulk weighs in the neighborhood of half a ton, I could see him preventing it from lifting off. Even a Blackhawk helicopter, full of fuel and on a warm day, would have difficulty taking off with the Hulk on board. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/206 "2015-05-04T13:58:49Z")
Seems to me that if we’re obeying \*all \*the laws of physics, then the Hulk should weigh exactly the same as Bruce Banner. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/207 "2015-05-04T14:09:14Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Seems to me that if we’re obeying \*all \*the laws of physics, then the Hulk should weigh exactly the same as Bruce Banner. Well, then I vote to not obey all of the laws of physics! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/208 "2015-05-04T14:13:33Z")
Saw it with the family this weekend. We all loved it. It wasn’t as special as the first one, but it was a great movie. I really don’t get many of the complaints about the movie that are made here. I thought the plot and motivations made sense, the balance between character development and action was good, and, most importantly, it was fun. I was bothered by the transition-ey (it’s a word. Look it up!) nature of the movie as it ties in with the other franchises, but that was a minor quibble. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/209 "2015-05-04T14:18:43Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Seems to me that if we’re obeying \*all \*the laws of physics, then the Hulk should weigh exactly the same as Bruce Banner. Less, because he’s shirtless! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/210 "2015-05-04T14:20:39Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > It’s funny you mention this because when Ms. Cups saw it over the weekend with a friend of hers one of her comments to me was “I didn’t know Hulk could fly” > > “Uh…he can’t. He just jumps really really hard” I also like that they’re getting away from Thor’s explanation of flight as “throws the hammer really hard and doesn’t let go.” He just flies now. He still winds up for it every once in a while, but he does that in the comics, too. Might just be an old habit, like tapping the top of a soda can to keep it from fizzing. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/211 "2015-05-04T14:27:53Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I also like that they’re getting away from Thor’s explanation of flight as “throws the hammer really hard and doesn’t let go.” He just flies now. He still winds up for it every once in a while, but he does that in the comics, too. Might just be an old habit, like tapping the top of a soda can to keep it from fizzing. Maybe that’s just how the hammer’s “flight mode” is activated. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/212 "2015-05-04T14:32:14Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Maybe that’s just how the hammer’s “flight mode” is activated. He should yell “Contact!” as he starts spinning it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/213 "2015-05-04T15:02:32Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Depends on what the lift capacity of the chopper was and how much the Hulk weighs. If it’s a smallish copter with 3-4 people already on board and the Hulk weighs in the neighborhood of half a ton, I could see him preventing it from lifting off. > [@RandMcnally](#): > > Even a Blackhawk helicopter, full of fuel and on a warm day, would have difficulty taking off with the Hulk on board. But this was 1980 [TV Hulk](http://www.brucebanner.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Bill-Bixby-Lou-Ferrigno.jpg) not 2015 CGI Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/214 "2015-05-04T15:07:31Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I also like that they’re getting away from Thor’s explanation of flight as “throws the hammer really hard and doesn’t let go.” He just flies now. He still winds up for it every once in a while, but he does that in the comics, too. Might just be an old habit, like tapping the top of a soda can to keep it from fizzing. Is this physically possible in a theoretical sense? Can you spin an object fast enough that you create enough momentum to pull you through the air? It would seem that if the object has that much momentum built up then you wouldn’t be able to control the spinning motion. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/215 "2015-05-04T16:14:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is this physically possible in a theoretical sense? Can you spin an object fast enough that you create enough momentum to pull you through the air? It would seem that if the object has that much momentum built up then you wouldn’t be able to control the spinning motion. It’s a freaking magic hammer that spits lightning. Do we REALLY want to discuss the physics of it? Or of ANY action in a superhero movie? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/216 "2015-05-04T16:16:30Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It’s a freaking magic hammer that spits lightning. Do we REALLY want to discuss the physics of it? Or of ANY action in a superhero movie? Some people do. I never understand why, unless the entire conversation is going to be tongue-in-cheek. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/217 "2015-05-04T16:24:27Z")
I saw it on Saturday and enjoyed it. Things I liked: [ul] [li]Black Widow pretty much the whole time, especially with the motorcycle stuff and the fight in Seoul[/li][li]The relationship between Black Widow and Hawkeye[/li][li]Hawkeye’s development this movie, including the wife and kids. And the wife seeming to be a good character from what little we see of her.[/li][li]Also liked him being capable, and not getting mind invaded like the others. Though it made me wonder if he was prepared, why weren’t the others? I wouldn’t think he’d come up with the mind zapper thing on his own.[/li][li]Thor and Captain America together, they make good uber-men bros. I liked their move of hitting the shield with the hammer. [/li][li]The funny bits, like " ‘Good talk.’ ‘No it wasn’t.’ ", the debate over who was worthy to lift the hammer, including both at the party and the debate on whether an elevator would be worthy, and Quicksilver zooming into the police station with a gun to get people moving.[/li][li]Just the party scene in general, it was good.[/li][li]James Spader as Ultron. He has a great voice and it was used well for this. [/li][li]The climax was well done. I liked the fighting, and that they evacuated people before it. [/li][/ul] Things I didn’t like as much: [ul] [li]The CGI in the opening scene. I didn’t think it was as horrible as some people did, but it did seem like the CGI from a mid-range budget movie, not a super big budget movie. It made me worried, but then things either got better as the movie went along. I wonder what happened there, I’ve seen all the Marvel movies in theaters(except for Incredible Hulk) and don’t remember the CGI being that distracting in any of them.[/li][li]Ultron’s goal. This might just be me, but I feel like it’s something that I’ve seen in a lot of movies or TV shows, where it goes something like this:[/li]Creator: We want peace on earth Creation: OK, I will do that by destroying (or enslaving, or mind-wiping) all humans Creator: Nooooooo, that’s not what I meant! It was admittedly a bit of a different spin on it, since Ultron didn’t really think he was noble and improving human life with his plan. [li]The conversation between Bruce and Natasha about how they are monsters. I’m pretty sure that Natasha was meaning that she’s a monster because of how she was a trained assassin who’s killed a lot of people, and she’s sterile so she wouldn’t be giving up a chance to have kids if she was with Bruce. But from the conversation it sounded like she was saying that she was a monster because she was sterile. The scene was well acted (as was all the other stuff between Bruce and Natasha), but I would have taken another pass at the writing of that scene.[/li][/ul] Things I didn’t like or dislike, but just wasn’t as clear on: [ul] [li]Stark and Banner seemed to get excited about the possibility of AI using the scepter. But Jarvis does seem to be pretty advanced AI. Someone in the thread said that he’s just a very advanced interface. Maybe it depends on how you define the line of artificial intelligence. Jarvis was somehow able to hide and protect the nuclear launch codes, that sounds like artificial intelligence to me. [/li][li]Thor’s vision, and how that convinced him to bring The Vision to life. But it sounds like there was stuff cut out, and maybe the director’s cut will make that clearer.[/li][li]All the stuff with the stones, and what they are and can do. I know that essentially they are powerful McGuffins, but I wish I could find a short explanation of what we’ve seen so far in the movies and what they do. [/li][/ul] > [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > Thought I musta missed something, probably distracted by Black Widow or something, sounds like a similar plot as [spoiler]that I, Robot Will Smith movie where the robot wants to protect humanity from itself and decides that the best way to do that is crush kill destroy. I know there have been some other movies that had a similar plot. I can’t find an exact trope like it, closest I can find is [Utopia Justifies the Means](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans), but I know there are some other ones I’m not thinking of. > [@Aeschines](#): > > 1. They have to get every last Ultron robot, or it’d bad. Well, is Ultron smart or stupid? He sends _all_ of the robots against the Avengers. That’s dumb. He’s clearly pumping out this dudes fast as fuck, so why not sock away a bunch of them and just keep multiplying. Save some for backup. If that’s AI, I’d hate to see what AS (Artificial Stupidity) looks like. That is a good point. He should be smart enough to have some backups. And some of those backups I would think could have worked on a way to eventually get him reconnected to the internet. Maybe that allows for him to be in future movies? I don’t know, I haven’t read the comics. But that reminds me about Scarlet Witch abandoning her post to kill the “main” Ultron body. I thought he didn’t have a “main” body, he had one that was bigger and looked fancier, but he was an artificial intelligence inhabiting all the bodies. I guess in grief you do stupid things, but it seems like they could have figured out a better way to get Scarlet Witch away from the control so the half-torn-apart robot could push the button. > [@Aeschines](#): > > Thought of something else that bugged me: Why is it called “The _Age_ of Ultron”? The whole thing seems to take place over a week or so. “The Few Days of Ultron,” maybe? > > I do have a theory. In a more realistic movie, one can imagine a villain like Ultron truly occupying the Avengers and humanity as a whole over an extended period of time. Thus, the title may have been inspired. But in the dumbed-down world of the movie, this is a villain to be punched to death in short order. I figured it was because Ultron was trying to usher in an “Age of Ultron” and the Avengers had to stop it. > [@amanset](#): > > Anyway, this is immaterial. It was one example. Want another? How is Stark back on the team? Last time we saw him he was retiring, blowing up all his suits. Now it is as if nothing had happened. Yeah, I remember at the end of Iron Man 3 wondering what would happen next. Maybe that RDJ wouldn’t be in the movies any more. But then this movie started and he’s flying around like before, no explanation. Maybe something was mentioned in passing in Thor 2 or Captain America 2? > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > One trope I’d seriously lobby for at least a moratorium on (well, if I were one to lobby for things, that is) is ‘guy breaks it up with female love-interest because it’s just so dangerous for her to be around him’. Yes, yes, I get it’s supposed to be some sort of noble sacrifice, some sort of ‘he loves her enough to let her go (or push her away)’-thing, but honestly, besides being way overdone, it’s actually simply patronizing—implying that women can’t make such choices on their own, or that they’ll make the wrong choice because of foolishly following their hearts, and so on. Which it should be clear even to Banner that Romanoff isn’t quite the type for. > > I was seriously hoping that the film was trying to subvert that trope, with Banner in that scene with Black Widow just stepping out from behind her and some throwaway lampshading line (that’s after all what Whedon’s usually good at), but they chose to go full troubled-hero-leaves-out-of-troubled-heroism. I agree. This seems to happen in way too many movies and TV shows, especially with superheroes. > [@Cyros](#): > > I enjoyed the movie quite a bit but do think I prefer the solo outings a bit more. I’d love to see a Hawkeye - Natasha movie or a Mark Ruffalo Hulk movie (Planet Hulk would be a great base for a story). For some crazy reason Marvel won’t do a Black Widow movie, but I would love to see a Black Widow or Black Widow/Hawkeye movie. It seems like there’s any number of ways they could go that would be good. > [@Lightray](#): > > However, this was an astonishing film even with quibbles, just because of how ambitious it was: It was a summer blockbuster, that included quite a bit of character development. It introduced a bunch of new characters, to deal with upcoming contract expirations. And still managed to have all the many main characters meaningfully contribute. It set up the _Infinity War_ storyline. It set up _Captain America: Civil War_. It set up _Thor: Ragnarok_. > > The _Superman v Batman: Dawn of Justice_ trailer was one of the (many, many) previews we saw. I have no confidence that movie will be even a fraction as successful as this one, at accomplishing even half the tasks that the producers obviously set for _Age of Ultron_. It’s interesting, the movies are more like a TV show in some ways, in that any episode can mostly stand on it’s own, but really you need to watch the whole series. I wish my theater had the Superman/Batman trailer, that would have been interesting to see, and interesting to hear how the crowd responded. Did your crowd seem interested in that trailer? > [@Lightray](#): > > What?!? Did you see it in 3D? I was wondering if they’d get to see the Star Wars trailer; we didn’t, although you’d think since both are Disney with a huge fanbase overlap it would’ve been a no-brainer… Even though I’ve seen the trailer, I wanted to see it on the big screen. > > Instead, we got _Ant-Man_ (looked iffy), _Fantastic Four_ (looked terrible), some ridiculous disaster thing with the Rock (looked even worse), the next _Mission Impossible_ (Tom Cruise looks really, really old; don’t break a hip, Tom), _Tommorowland_ (eh), _Jurassic World_ (Chris Prat yay, otherwise eh). We had Ant-Man, Fantastic Four, Tomorrowland, Jurassic World, Man from UNCLE, and Pixels. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/218 "2015-05-04T16:30:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Or more specifically Dark Phoenix Jean from the third film - I think it’s the maroon leather jacket coupled with the hair colour that does it, not just the powers. It was an interesting swap. I remember when X-3 came out people said Jean Grey seemed a lot more like Scarlet Witch than the Phoenix. I saw someone online point out that Quicksilver might not be dead… TAHITI (the treatment that brought back Coulson) was designed specifically for bringing back dead Avengers. I think the original base was destroyed and the system was REALLY flawed but in my fanboy heart of hearts, I’m hoping he can come back (I doubt it, though) ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/219 "2015-05-04T16:32:39Z")
> [@Sam Lowry](#): > > Also liked him being capable, and not getting mind invaded like the others. Though it made me wonder if he was prepared, why weren’t the others? I wouldn’t think he’d come up with the mind zapper thing on his own. I think that, of all of them, Hawkeye is the most likely to avoid it (“I’ve done the mind-control thing. I’m not a fan.”) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/220 "2015-05-04T16:43:07Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Seems to me that if we’re obeying \*all \*the laws of physics, then the Hulk should weigh exactly the same as Bruce Banner. you see - I never studied law. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=12)