# The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509 "2015-04-25T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/221 "2015-05-04T16:44:31Z")
Saw it and my big & little issues in no particular order. CGI in the beginning laughably cartoonish. Barton’s family set up as Chekov’s gun (Hawkeye has to die) but then he doesn’t. Where was Falcon in the final battle? Did not like the whole Black Widow in love with Banner line. I kind of like the Banner doesn’t like her that they were running. Why kill Quicksilver? Scarlet Witch should have been wearing her classic comic book costume. The scene with Vision picking up Mjolnir was good but during the final battle, Cap should have picked it up as well (nod to when it happened in the comics). Overall, a lot of little things seemed tacked on unnecessarily. Further notes: The Ultron needs to kill everyone I kind of got. He saw the constant human vs human fighting and realized that to save the Earth (including humans) he had to kill them all. Will Ant-Man (Paul Rudd) be part of the Avengers? Chris Evans will become part of the Avengers (confirmed by Chris Evans). Will it be Andrew Garfield? Will they reboot the Spidey franchise? Will he just show up in Avengers 3? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/222 "2015-05-04T16:45:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is this physically possible in a theoretical sense? Can you spin an object fast enough that you create enough momentum to pull you through the air? It would seem that if the object has that much momentum built up then you wouldn’t be able to control the spinning motion. its nto the spinning - thats just winding it up. Its the trhowing - he’s just holding on as the hammer flys. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/223 "2015-05-04T16:47:59Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Why kill Quicksilver? > Scarlet Witch should have been wearing her classic comic book costume. Because he could. Oh hell no. That outfit is supremely silly. The headpiece alone destroys any sexiness. Sans headpiece and I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![Gordon\_Urquhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/db5fbb/32.png) [@Gordon\_Urquhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon_Urquhart)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/224 "2015-05-04T16:49:27Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I wish my theater had the Superman/Batman trailer, that would have been interesting to see, and interesting to hear how the crowd responded. Did your crowd seem interested in that trailer? > > We had Ant-Man, Fantastic Four, Tomorrowland, Jurassic World, Man from UNCLE, and Pixels. My theater had all of the above except for _Man from UNCLE_. The trailer for _Ant-Man_ got quite a few laughs from the audience, especially after the Thomas the Train Engine calamity at the end. The end of the _Superman v. Batman_ trailer was greeted with silence. I don’t think that DC understands that comic book movies need to have some degree of fun. The tone of Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy, which worked for that particular character, seems to be carrying over into everything that DC has planned. After I came home from _Age of Ultron_ (which I enjoyed less than the first _Avengers_, but it was a solid “A” effort versus “A+”), I popped in the Blu-Ray of _Guardians of the Galaxy_. There’s more fun in the opening credits of \*GotG \*than in all of the recent Batman/Superman movies combined. (_GotG_ is, admittedly, a highly irreverent concept, but DC has got to loosen up a bit.) ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/225 "2015-05-04T17:13:37Z")
This might be fodder for a new thread, so if it derails the convo too much I apologize and I’ll make a new thread about it: I was talking with a coworker about the movie and commenting that one of ya’ll here said that this movie was the “second season premiere of what is essentially the world’s longest TV show.”, which got me thinking: Has anything like this ever happened in the world of cinemas before? I know there have been franchises (Indiana Jones, Bond, Star Wars/trek), but have there ever been movies that lead into other movies that tied in with previous movies (using the same actors for the most part) to eventually culminate in a giant finale? I can only think of Star Wars and…maybe…Harry Potter? But they didn’t have the volume of movies that this story arc does ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/226 "2015-05-04T17:17:04Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > This might be fodder for a new thread, so if it derails the convo too much I apologize and I’ll make a new thread about it: > > I was talking with a coworker about the movie and commenting that one of ya’ll here said that this movie was the “second season premiere of what is essentially the world’s longest TV show.” Nitpick. If you want to be exact, this is the second season finale. Age of Ultron is the end of Marvel Phase 2, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/227 "2015-05-04T17:25:35Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I think that, of all of them, Hawkeye is the most likely to avoid it (“I’ve done the mind-control thing. I’m not a fan.”) I understand that, that he’d be the one most motivated to avoid it, since he’s gone through it before. But I would think all of them would understand that it’s not something they want to happen to them. Are you saying his blue anti-mind control thing wasn’t, specially built for Scarlet Witch, but just something he’s had every since the first Avengers movie? It’s just another thing in his quiver, like the special exploding arrows, and other specially designed weapons he just always has on hand? I guess that would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/228 "2015-05-04T17:32:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > …since neither **Alessan** nor I said anything like that. Then I guess it’s good I never claimed you guys said anything like that and instead just stated my preference, which is also a healthy mix of bright and dark. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/229 "2015-05-04T17:34:25Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I understand that, that he’d be the one most motivated to avoid it, since he’s gone through it before. But I would think all of them would understand that it’s not something they want to happen to them. > > Are you saying his blue anti-mind control thing wasn’t, specially built for Scarlet Witch, but just something he’s had every since the first Avengers movie? It’s just another thing in his quiver, like the special exploding arrows, and other specially designed weapons he just always has on hand? I guess that would make sense. Yeah, he just stabbed her with the tip of a tazer arrow. It wasn’t anything beyond him hearing someone creeping up on him and him getting them before they got him. That did remind me of one really odd cut where Wanda red whizzys one person’s mind and then it immediately cuts to another location and her doing it again to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/230 "2015-05-04T17:35:33Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Are you saying his blue anti-mind control thing wasn’t, specially built for Scarlet Witch, but just something he’s had every since the first Avengers movie? It’s just another thing in his quiver, like the special exploding arrows, and other specially designed weapons he just always has on hand? I guess that would make sense. Iron Man built Veronica (where’s Betty, though?) in case Hulk got frisky. The arrow could have been to handle Cap or Natasha if they got mind-controlled; I can’t really see it working on Iron Man, Hulk or Thor (not since he got his powers back, anyway; he may have gotten the idea from Darcy). ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/231 "2015-05-04T17:37:38Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I saw someone online point out that Quicksilver might not be dead… TAHITI (the treatment that brought back Coulson) was designed specifically for bringing back dead Avengers. I think the original base was destroyed and the system was REALLY flawed but in my fanboy heart of hearts, I’m hoping he can come back (I doubt it, though) They made a significant deal about that female scientist’s healing technology, which ended up important to the creation of Vision, but I was sure a mid-credits scene would show that same technology being used to save Pietro. No such luck, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/232 "2015-05-04T17:41:39Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Iron Man built Veronica ( **where’s Betty, though?** ) in case Hulk got frisky. I thought the same thing and then read online… Betty is Betty Ross, formerly the only person who could subdue the Hulk. Veronica is the OTHER way to subdue Archie-Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/233 "2015-05-04T17:51:50Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Chris Evans will become part of the Avengers (confirmed by Chris Evans). Now that I would like to see. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/234 "2015-05-04T17:53:40Z")
I have to admit, I was surprised by how effective the Hulkbuster was. Admittedly, it was mostly because of his disorientation at Wanda’s mind-control wearing off, but Stark was doing all right in that fight. The comic book version always seem to end with the Hulk winning. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/235 "2015-05-04T18:16:24Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > That did remind me of one really odd cut where Wanda red whizzys one person’s mind and then it immediately cuts to another location and her doing it again to someone else. I actually thought due to that scene and the one with her reversing out of a door in slightly accelerated jerky motion (think Korean horror movie ghost) they were going to give her powers a slightly more ‘otherworldly’ spin, more akin to something you’d actually be inclined to call ‘witch’, but then they ended up just going with the generic esper package. Also, for the record, my missed guess for Pietro’s resurrection was that his speedster ability would grant him some accelerated healing (there was even some talk about his ‘accelerated metabolism’ which I took to be pointing in such a direction). But I guess now that splitting up Wanda and Pietro between Avengers and X-Men is kinda the most likely explanation, and reason he’s going to stay dead. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/236 "2015-05-04T18:16:44Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Then I guess it’s good I never claimed you guys said anything like that and instead just stated my preference, which is also a healthy mix of bright and dark. Pardon me. By “those” I assumed you were referring to the superheroes **Alessan** and I mentioned, that you quoted and then seemingly added your own jingoistic gloss on. Rather than whatever inner monologue was going on in your own head at the time. I’ll know for next time that the juxtaposition of quotes and your own words are in no way related. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/237 "2015-05-04T18:24:26Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I have to admit, I was surprised by how effective the Hulkbuster was. Admittedly, it was mostly because of his disorientation at Wanda’s mind-control wearing off, but Stark was doing all right in that fight. The comic book version always seem to end with the Hulk winning. If your definition of “all right” means “not immediately torn to shreds” and “does as much property damage as the Hulk,” then, yep. Kind of like how Thor did “all right” vs. the Hulk in _The Avengers._ ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/238 "2015-05-04T18:34:34Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I thought exactly the same thing. > > OK, but how is he not getting hurt? He’s not invulnerable, as his fate in the movie showed. He was also hit by bullets when moving fast, so it’s not as though he’s invulnerable or even damage-resistant when he’s moving fast. > > It’s also unclear, if he could kill robots like that but couldn’t kill the killable Avengers at the start of the movie. If you say, “He was just trying to draw them out so Scarlet Witch could work her magic on them,” then why were all the mooks firing upon the Avengers? That whole opening scene has lots of issues, though. Good point. But then, so is this: > [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > You realize that in the comics The Hulk is capable of jumping to the moon, right? > > Physics? You’re looking in the wrong place. > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > It was an interesting swap. I remember when X-3 came out people said Jean Grey seemed a lot more like Scarlet Witch than the Phoenix. > I saw someone online point out that Quicksilver might not be dead… TAHITI (the treatment that brought back Coulson) was designed specifically for bringing back dead Avengers. I think the original base was destroyed and the system was REALLY flawed but in my fanboy heart of hearts, I’m hoping he can come back (I doubt it, though) Well, he could have an Evil Twi…wait, he _was_ an Evil Twin! There you go, then. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/239 "2015-05-04T18:50:09Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > What?!? Did you see it in 3D? I was wondering if they’d get to see the Star Wars trailer; we didn’t, although you’d think since both are Disney with a huge fanbase overlap it would’ve been a no-brainer… Even though I’ve seen the trailer, I wanted to see it on the big screen. > > Instead, we got _Ant-Man_ (looked iffy), _Fantastic Four_ (looked terrible), some ridiculous disaster thing with the Rock (looked even worse), the next _Mission Impossible_ (Tom Cruise looks really, really old; don’t break a hip, Tom), _Tommorowland_ (eh), _Jurassic World_ (Chris Prat yay, otherwise eh). I remember watching the Jurassic World trailer in 3D and thinking that’s probably the only way to see it in theaters, as it won’t be that great in 2D, so Star Wars was probably 3D as well, though I don’t recall being wowed by the 3D aspect of it. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/240 "2015-05-04T19:10:05Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > He pretty much said, “all that will remain will be metal.” Seemed really clear to me. You’ve jogged my memory, but at the time I didn’t know if he meant that everything would melt down into metal or robots would be running around. Plus, he’s creating a metal/organic body for himself, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense. It just wasn’t a very clear image/statement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=13)