# The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509 "2015-04-25T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/241 "2015-05-04T19:12:29Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > One trope I’d seriously lobby for at least a moratorium on (well, if I were one to lobby for things, that is) is ‘guy breaks it up with female love-interest because it’s just so dangerous for her to be around him’. Yes, yes, I get it’s supposed to be some sort of noble sacrifice, some sort of ‘he loves her enough to let her go (or push her away)’-thing, but honestly, besides being way overdone, it’s actually simply patronizing—implying that women can’t make such choices on their own, or that they’ll make the wrong choice because of foolishly following their hearts, and so on. Which it should be clear even to Banner that Romanoff isn’t quite the type for. > > I was seriously hoping that the film was trying to subvert that trope, with Banner in that scene with Black Widow just stepping out from behind her and some throwaway lampshading line (that’s after all what Whedon’s usually good at), but they chose to go full troubled-hero-leaves-out-of-troubled-heroism. I didn’t see it this way at ALL. Between the “I love you but I need the other guy” scene and the repeated discussion about him leaving it all behind I got the distinct impression he was leaving because she, and her dedication to staying with SHIELD, was bad for him. He can’t live with himself if he keeps Hulking out, and her dedication to righting all of the wrongs that she’s done in her assassin past keeps her from truly understanding what this is doing to him. She pays lip service to understanding but then she’s right back in there, tricking him into another Code Green. She might love him, but she doesn’t understand him. Apparently my husbands big complaint was that every time Ultron spoke he heard Raymond Reddington and he couldn’t get past that. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/242 "2015-05-04T19:21:07Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > He can’t live with himself if he keeps Hulking out, and her dedication to righting all of the wrongs that she’s done in her assassin past keeps her from truly understanding what this is doing to him. She pays lip service to understanding but then she’s right back in there, tricking him into another Code Green. She might love him, but she doesn’t understand him. YES. This. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/243 "2015-05-04T19:27:45Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Given how he shapechanged - adding the cape, etc - I think he’ll be able to perform quite adequately should the need arise. I would imagine Vision’s Vibranium jackhammer would really please the ladies. But I would imagine Marvel doesn’t want to show us a synthezoid penis in their movie, rating aside it would be reminiscent of the Watchmen. So the family and I saw it this weekend and I really liked it though I did like Guardians of the Galaxy more. Liked the stuff they did with Hawkeye: he had a lot of development, he had a nice speech to Wanda at the end, and he had very good scenes everywhere. I thought everyone was just a little too quippy. I liked the quips but I also think that quipping might be something Stark might always have turned on but I would think Rogers wouldn’t be so nonchalant combat situations. Whedon’s gotta Whedon though and he does write very good quips. I do like that they were very visible in trying to save the population. That’s what heroes are supposed to do, right? I think Hollywood forgot that somewhere along the way; movie heroes aren’t generally concerned about collateral damage but super heroes are. I also think it was a bit of a stretch getting to Ultron. Stark shouldn’t have been that careless but you have to get Ultron from somewhere so I see why they did it that way. Also add me to the list of people who don’t need to see skyscraper going down in every blockbuster. With CG it’s too easy and it’s just not needed to show how dangerous a threat is. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/244 "2015-05-04T19:36:31Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Chris Evans will become part of the Avengers (confirmed by Chris Evans). Will it be Andrew Garfield? Will they reboot the Spidey franchise? Will he just show up in Avengers 3? Doh!! Spiderman will be in the next Avengers movie. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/245 "2015-05-04T19:47:24Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I do like that they were very visible in trying to save the population. That’s what heroes are supposed to do, right? I think Hollywood forgot that somewhere along the way; movie heroes aren’t generally concerned about collateral damage but super heroes are. I agree. But at the same time, I would have liked to see them take more seriously the choice that was mentioned earlier in the thread, between saving thousands and saving millions, and similar dilemmas on a smaller scale. Sometimes the best move is to cast off the lifeboat and leave the kid trapped in the stairwell rather than always trying to save 100% of the civilians. An examination of that difficult choice would be interesting, rather than yet another “I am going to try to save every single person… and I did! Hurray for me!” moment. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/246 "2015-05-04T19:51:20Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > If your definition of “all right” means “not immediately torn to shreds” and “does as much property damage as the Hulk,” then, yep. Kind of like how Thor did “all right” vs. the Hulk in _The Avengers._ Thor did do all right, when he had his hammer with him and had he not been concerned about damaging the helicarrier and hurting his friend, he probably would have done even better. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/247 "2015-05-04T20:10:40Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I wish my theater had the Superman/Batman trailer, that would have been interesting to see, and interesting to hear how the crowd responded. Did your crowd seem interested in that trailer? There were groans, but I don’t know if it was because of misgivings, or because it was the _fifth_ damn preview we had to sit through. (and then they started… another preview.) It actually wasn’t a very good trailer: just some stuff to set up that the world is afraid of Superman, establish Batman, and then some posing between the two characters. And it was all _dark_ – not in mood; there was no illumination. It was actually brighter in the theater after the main lights dimmed and _Age of Ultron_ started. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/248 "2015-05-04T20:20:01Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I was talking with a coworker about the movie and commenting that one of ya’ll here said that this movie was the “second season premiere of what is essentially the world’s longest TV show.”, which got me thinking: Has anything like this ever happened in the world of cinemas before? I know there have been franchises (Indiana Jones, Bond, Star Wars/trek), but have there ever been movies that lead into other movies that tied in with previous movies (using the same actors for the most part) to eventually culminate in a giant finale? > > I can only think of Star Wars and…maybe…Harry Potter? But they didn’t have the volume of movies that this story arc does Think back further: serials such as _Flash Gordon_ all tied in to each other, had the same actors, and each episode ended in a cliffhanger intended to resolved in the next movie. They didn’t really build to a climactic finale, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/249 "2015-05-04T20:32:55Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > …I assumed… Ooooooooh. Nah, I was just piggy-backing. Sorry for using your diving board without permission. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/250 "2015-05-04T20:33:02Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I understand that, that he’d be the one most motivated to avoid it, since he’s gone through it before. But I would think all of them would understand that it’s not something they want to happen to them. > > Are you saying his blue anti-mind control thing wasn’t, specially built for Scarlet Witch, but just something he’s had every since the first Avengers movie? It’s just another thing in his quiver, like the special exploding arrows, and other specially designed weapons he just always has on hand? I guess that would make sense. I don’t think it was an anti-mind-control device. I thought it was more like a taser arrow. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/251 "2015-05-04T22:03:43Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I don’t think it was an anti-mind-control device. I thought it was more like a taser arrow. Yeah, I took that as improvising, and possibly taking the threat more seriously than the others because of his flying monkey experience. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/252 "2015-05-04T22:48:45Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Think back further: serials such as _Flash Gordon_ all tied in to each other, had the same actors, and each episode ended in a cliffhanger intended to resolved in the next movie. > > They didn’t really build to a climactic finale, though. I am young and ignorant and need to get off lawns. I always thought of serials as short films and not necessarily “moves” like we know them. Am I wrong about that? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/253 "2015-05-04T23:40:15Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I always thought of serials as short films and not necessarily “moves” like we know them. Am I wrong about that? And I’m probably not the best Doper to answer this; although the first movies I ever saw in a theater as a little boy were serials, their heyday was long over. So my personal knowledge is, perhaps, gilt by the sepia-tinge of childhood nostalgia. Some of the serials were intended as the first film in a double feature, and so weren’t as lengthy. Those are the ones I (mostly) remember. The serials intended as feature films may have been from an earlier era – silent movies. This probably _would_ make for an interesting thread topic. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/254 "2015-05-05T00:29:51Z")
Hater’s Guide to this movie, lol: > **[The Hater’s Guide To Avengers: Age of Ultron](https://deadspin.com/the-hater-s-guide-to-avengers-age-of-ultron-1702062494)** > > If you aren’t a moron idiot, you probably enjoyed the first Avengers movie from 2012, because it was great. The sequel, Avengers: Age of Ultron, came out this past weekend, and it’s pretty good, but also, in parts, incredibly fucking stupid. Here are... ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/255 "2015-05-05T01:33:34Z")
I can’t find a story to link to but Joss Whedon was chased off twitter due to a flood of people complaining he “ruined” Black Widow and is sexist. Joss Whedon…the Internet is officially the worst. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/256 "2015-05-05T02:04:06Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It’s a freaking magic hammer that spits lightning. Do we REALLY want to discuss the physics of it? Or of ANY action in a superhero movie? I’m taking about the possibility of the idea in real world physics. Let’s say you’re wearing a harness and the harness is connected by a rope to a heavy hammer (or any similar object). Would it be possible to get the hammer spinning at a high enough speed that you could release it and it would pull you through the air? Obviously, it’s possible for the hammer to pull you through the air. If it was attached to you like I described and fired out of a cannon, it could do it. But I wondering if it can be done in a closed system where you’re both the source of the momentum and the object being moved. Intuitively, I’m thinking no. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/257 "2015-05-05T02:22:18Z")
I’ve heard that, for every action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/258 "2015-05-05T02:43:05Z")
For every plot hole, there’s an equal and opposite fan wank. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/259 "2015-05-05T03:01:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m taking about the possibility of the idea in real world physics. Let’s say you’re wearing a harness and the harness is connected by a rope to a heavy hammer (or any similar object). Would it be possible to get the hammer spinning at a high enough speed that you could release it and it would pull you through the air? Are you on a treadmill, or not? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/260 "2015-05-05T04:10:48Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > For every plot hole, there’s an equal and opposite fan wank. lol! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=14)