# The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509 "2015-04-25T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/81 "2015-05-03T03:16:05Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Truly not, I fear. > > I’m not _really_ feeling the love for this movie. There was the pop of “wow!” for the first Avengers movie. I can remember dialog, scenes, stuff. It didn’t strike me as an A+er the second time I watched it, but the fight between Iron Man and Thor in the woods, that really fit the characters. Thor’s lightning charging up Iron Man’s suit to 400%–lol. “I’m always angry”–great dialog. “There’s only one God, ma’am, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t dress like that.” Funny (paraphrase, off the top of my head). The plot kinda sucked but the characters popped. Not this time (the vivacious Scarlet Witch excepted). It’s a weak second entry. Totally disagree. I thought the dialogue and character-building in Age of Ultron was better than Marvel’s Avengers. It was for different characters, sure… but it was also for characters that NEEDED building, that had been given short shrift till now. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/82 "2015-05-03T03:18:17Z")
I’m quite sure the DVD release will be at least an hour longer, just to fit in all the scenes I’m sure Joss filmed but cut. Not as wow as the first one, but a great film nonetheless. Lots of things had to get done, and for the most part they were. I was never that thrilled with the choice of Big Bad, but Spader made him “sing.” In truth, I prefer the way the earlier movies weren’t afraid to switch genres. CA:WS wasn’t so much a comic-book superhero movie as it was a 70s spy thriller. I liked that change in tone. But it looks like the future of the Avengers movies is “bigger and…well, bigger.” ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/83 "2015-05-03T04:27:02Z")
It’s possible people are getting tired of these characters. This is essentially a Second Season finale for the world’s most expensive TV show. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/84 "2015-05-03T05:01:37Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Oh yeah, me too. Not bad from someone in the Olsen Twin family Elizabeth is the talented one. I met her several years ago after a screening and Q&A for Martha Marcy May Marlene, and she’s very nice too. Trivia everyone probably knows: Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor-Johnson (Quicksilver), who played twins in this movie, played husband and wife in the most recent Godzilla movie. She’s come a long way from MMMM and he’s come a long way from Kick-Ass (that’s so cool, from a fake superhero to a real superhero). Loved this movie, btw. Not quite as much as the 1st one, but still up there. I want to see it again. We didn’t pay for it and I feel guilty. The only screening time that worked for us was a 3D showing (because we were also going to see an Indian movie called Grabbar Is Back), and we refuse to pay extra for 3D, so we bought a ticket to Ex Machina, which we’d already seen. I carry 3D glasses with me for such occasions (rare, maybe once a year). When I see it again it’ll be in 2D. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/85 "2015-05-03T05:22:19Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Most of the “flaws” I’ve heard people complaining about were more a case of them not paying attention to the movie. That’s (a) clearly wrong if you read this thread, and (b) obvnoxiously condescending. Lots of people in this thread (including me) loved The Avengers, were super hyped for this movie, and were disappointed by it. It also has a 17% lower tomatometer rating. It’s entirely possible that it’s just plain a worse movie. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/86 "2015-05-03T05:56:18Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > I think the tower that was under construction where Stark tossed Hulk through the middle and it collapsed on itself is what is being referred to. Yes. That scene did make me think of 9/11. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Most of the CGI was fine (I never felt that Ultron looked out of place in a scene, for instance), but the opening battle felt so cartoony that at one point I actually thought there was going to be a pull-back and it would be revealed to be a simulation or something. Definitely started the movie off on the wrong foot That’s exactly what I was expecting. The whole movie had a bad case of Hollywood Physics. > [@](#): > > The entire character of “Vision” was kind of meh. Maybe if I was a comics-reader it would have meant more, but it was like: (1) There’s all this build up with Ultron building himself a new body, (2) Thor for some reason has visions in a nightmare? (3) out pops this awesome new superhero who can fly and is indestructible and has one of the most powerful energy sources in the universe in his forehead, and (4) he then kind of hangs around and is about as helpful as a dude with a bow and arrow Agreed. But I love watching Paul Bettany act, so I was okay with Vision. > [@Aeschines](#): > > 1. What is Quicksilver using as a weapon? He is just zooming up to 'bots and… tearing them apart with his bare hands?! This I thought was something that the movie _did_ get right. An ordinary guy moving at that speed is going to have enough kinetic energy to do serious damage just by hitting you. Didn’t explain why he wasn’t vivisecting all the civilians he was knocking out of the way of the train, though. I enjoyed the film, but - coming in as someone who has never read the comic books and only seen a few of the films; that is, unfamiliar with the Avengers 'verse - I felt it didn’t do a great job of establishing the context. I felt the same thing when I saw the first Avengers movie - I thought it was the sequel, because it didn’t explain that Tesseract thingy. Of course, I had to pee like a racehorse about half-way through, so I perhaps didn’t give it my full attention. This is probably why professional movie critics don’t grab a tub of popcorn and a large Coke on the way in. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/87 "2015-05-03T06:20:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’m quite sure the DVD release will be at least an hour longer, just to fit in all the scenes I’m sure Joss filmed but cut. I was talking with a friend today, who is not only a huge comic book geek, but also a scriptwriter in Hollywood. He indicated that, according to what he’s read and heard, there was indeed a full additional hour of material which was edited out. Whether all of that will make it into the DVD release is a good question, but it did seem to me like there were a few areas (like Falcon’s change of heart) that could have used a little more exposition. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/88 "2015-05-03T09:38:01Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Oh yeah, me too. Not bad from someone in the Olsen Twin family She’s [certainly blossomed](http://www.theonion.com/article/lapd-discovers-hidden-deformed-olsen-triplet-576)\* Yes, I _know_ she’s not the same age as the twins. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/89 "2015-05-03T09:57:15Z")
I really liked the characterization of Scarlet Witch and I really liked Elizabeth Olsen’s performance but I can’t help but think that the heaps of high praise that the character is getting might have more to do with the fact that Elizabeth Olsen is friggin’ gorgeous. I mean, I think she did a great job with what she had to work with and I think it was a cool character but the character seemed kinda underdeveloped to me. Like the audience was expected to take a bit of shorthand from the script and then fill in the blanks. Not a major criticism from me- there were a lot of equally weighted characters and juggling them would be no easy task for any screenwriter. But even though I’m not overly critical about the underdevelopment there just wasn’t enough to really take me over the top in my enjoyment of the character. Are there any gay men or straight women (or straight men who simply are not attracted to petite elven-like women) in the Thread who want to add to the heaps of high praise that Scarlet Witch has been getting? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/90 "2015-05-03T10:10:11Z")
If you want to see more of Elizabeth Olsen, I highly recommend the 2012 film [Liberal Arts](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1872818/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10). ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/91 "2015-05-03T10:23:02Z")
I’m pretty sure that’s available on Netflix, so I might check that out. Thanks for the recommendation- I do think she’s quite a talented actress. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/92 "2015-05-03T11:38:46Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > That’s (a) clearly wrong if you read this thread, and (b) obvnoxiously condescending. Lots of people in this thread (including me) loved The Avengers, were super hyped for this movie, and were disappointed by it. It also has a 17% lower tomatometer rating. It’s entirely possible that it’s just plain a worse movie. Critics gave the first movie higher ratings because of its novelty at the time. The reviews I’ve read that are less than flattering claim this movie is “overstuffed” with too much, but that to me sounds like the complaint of someone who is watching this movie as a stand-alone when it’s clearly a part of something much larger. If you aren’t a fan of the Marvel movies in general and the story they’re telling through the entire MCU, then you’re not going to like this movie as much as the first. If you are, you’ll like it more. And frankly I don’t care if you think what I said is condescending, and I don’t believe it’s wrong. I hear a lot of nitpicking about plot points that were pretty obviously shown and explained in the movie in the posts critical of it. That’s the poster not paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/93 "2015-05-03T11:43:02Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I-The entire character of “Vision” was kind of meh. Maybe if I was a comics-reader it would have meant more, but it was like: (1) There’s all this build up with Ultron building himself a new body, (2) Thor for some reason has visions in a nightmare? (3) out pops this awesome new superhero who can fly and is indestructible and has one of the most powerful energy sources in the universe in his forehead, and (4) he then kind of hangs around and is about as helpful as a dude with a bow and arrow Except for the parts where he: 1)removes every trace of Ultron from the internet, isolating him in his robot bodies 2)saves Thor’s ass and turns the tide of the battle 3)is the only reason, using the mind stone, that they are able to penetrate Ultron’s vibranium coating, thus defeating his primary body 4)rescues The Scarlet Witch when no one else can and 5)is there to destroy Ultron’s final remaining body, thus ensuring he can’t do all this again. So, aside from being totally crucial to the victory, he’s useless and “meh.” You see, this is exactly what I meant by someone not paying attention. But I guess that’s just “totally wrong and condescending”… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/94 "2015-05-03T12:25:47Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > 3)is the only reason, using the mind stone, that they are able to penetrate Ultron’s vibranium coating, thus defeating his primary body Oh! I’ll have to rewatch for that detail. Don’t know if you saw my previous post about how I felt this movie cheapens Vibranium in the MCU, but if it’s made clear that it is the mindstone that enables the defeat of Ultron’s Vibranium body then I’ll feel better about it. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/95 "2015-05-03T12:39:29Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Elizabeth is the talented one. I met her several years ago after a screening and Q&A for Martha Marcy May Marlene, and she’s very nice too. > > Trivia everyone probably knows: Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor-Johnson (Quicksilver), who played twins in this movie, played husband and wife in the most recent Godzilla movie. She’s come a long way from MMMM and he’s come a long way from Kick-Ass (that’s so cool, from a fake superhero to a real superhero). I didn’t know it was an Olsen until someone told me yesterday. I also didn’t realize it was the guy from Kick-Ass until someone (you) told me this morning. Overall, I liked the movie a lot. I completely understand the criticisms. I still loved it. And yeah, the building scene did remind me of 9/11 (the documentary about 9/11, actually), but it didn’t bother me. I would have bet money that Hawkeye was going to bite it. Apparently, Whedon did that on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/96 "2015-05-03T12:45:39Z")
That’s the Whedon M.O. He _will_ kill an appealing character, and you will _not_ see it coming. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/97 "2015-05-03T12:58:18Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s the Whedon M.O. He _will_ kill an appealing character, and you will _not_ see it coming. Well, I know that’s his M.O. generally, but I can’t see him getting to kill major characters in the MCU without it being prescribed from above. I don’t know if there’s an online cite for this, but he says in the commentary track for _The Avengers_ that he was told to kill off Coulson and his reaction was “Oh no! Everyone is going to blame _me_!!!” Similarly, I’m sure he didn’t decide on his own to kill Quicksilver- there’s no way Feige et al would allow it. Now, his particular _delivery_ of those death scenes may have his signature but there’s no way it was his personal creative decision. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/98 "2015-05-03T13:12:28Z")
I’m kinda curious about the party… what were they celebrating, exactly? I realize they took out a major Hydra base, but from Agents of SHIELD, we know that Hydra is still freakin’ everywhere… it didn’t seem reasonable for them to have a full-on series finale cast party… > [@Quimby](#): > > Was it said how they lost the Scepter in the first pace? They had it at the end of the movie. Did it get lost when SHIELD fell apart? And why in Odin’s name did they not take it back to Asgard at the end of Avengers? Re: Thor and the hot tub… they looked for a way to get Chris to take his shirt off, and they found it. > [@Aeschines](#): > > And he’s all wise and good and preachy and worthy of wielding Thor’s hammer and barf. Yeah, way to totally negate the awesomeness of Cap budging Mjolnir, and the look on Thor’s face… > [@Equipoise](#): > > Trivia everyone probably knows: Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor-Johnson (Quicksilver), who played twins in this movie, played husband and wife in the most recent Godzilla movie. She’s come a long way from MMMM and he’s come a long way from Kick-Ass (that’s so cool, from a fake superhero to a real superhero). I also loved how the guy who played his best friend from _Kick-Ass_ played Quicksilver in _X-Men._ ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/99 "2015-05-03T13:17:14Z")
I saw it yesterday, and loved it. That said, I’m not a comics geek but I’m a pretty big fan of both Joss Whedon and the Marvel movies (and _S.H.I.E.L.D._, _Agent Carter_, _Daredevil_, etc.), so it would’ve had to be pretty bad for me to not at least _like_ it. One of my favorite lines remains one of the earliest ones: Stark has just blown a hole in the side of a building, after rhetorically saying something like he was going to need to have a chat with the bad guys. **Howard Stark:** Good talk. **Voice from the Rubble:** Not really! > [@bienville](#): > > Are there any gay men or straight women (or straight men who simply are not attracted to petite elven-like women) in the Thread who want to add to the heaps of high praise that Scarlet Witch has been getting? The “bad guys turn good after realizing the villain is planning to kill them” thing always makes me roll my eyes a little, but otherwise I liked the character development. I especially liked that she made the choice to help without having been guilted into it: Hawkeye sincerely told her that she could stay put and wait for rescue and that would be perfectly ok. It was a nice change from the usual “be a coward if you must” subtext that’s usually present in those scenes. And I actually got a little teary at her reaction to Quicksilver’s death (thank goodness for dark theaters). So, yeah: I’m not going to dress up as her for Halloween or anything, but I’ll be happy to see her in the next movie. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/100 "2015-05-03T13:26:32Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m kinda curious about the party… what were they celebrating, exactly? I realize they took out a major Hydra base, but from Agents of SHIELD, we know that Hydra is still freakin’ everywhere… it didn’t seem reasonable for them to have a full-on series finale cast party… We’ll see how many there are left next week, won’t we? Strucker’s base was obviously supposed to be the largest remaining Hydra stronghold, so that may have actually been Hydra’s final destruction. Besides, they got the Scepter. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > And why in Odin’s name did they not take it back to Asgard at the end of Avengers? \*Back \*to Asgard? It didn’t come from Asgard in the first place - Loki picked it up sometime between \*Thor \*and the first _Avengers_. Why would Thor have any claim to it? They let him have the Tesseract; why should Asgard get all the cool toys? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=6)