# The Age of Ultron Seen It Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509 "2015-04-25T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/141 "2015-05-03T21:44:12Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m kinda curious about the party… what were they celebrating, exactly? It was a farewell party for Thor. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/142 "2015-05-03T21:46:18Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It was a farewell party for Thor. Maybe a little, but they had smashed Hydra and got the scepter back. A great victory needs time for revels. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/143 "2015-05-03T21:50:32Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Ha! That was actually one of my favorite bits! > Aside: Is no one else going to address the fact that Cap just said “Language!” > (I loved the way they milked the running joke from this.) I loved the motorcycle bit, too. Physics be damned! It’s a comic book brought to life! Considering the “language!” bit - which was a great running gag - I also appreciated the fact that the _very first line_ in the movie is Stark’s “Shit!” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/144 "2015-05-03T21:51:17Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I can’t imagine that he’s going to be ressurrected I take it you’re unfamiliar with the power level of comic book Scarlet Witch… ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/145 "2015-05-03T22:20:58Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > While there was a lot of property damage, unlike other superhero movies I could mention, the film took the subject of collateral damage very seriously, with the protagonists spending almost as much time protecting and rescuing civilians than they did actually fighting the bad guys. It really emphasized how much these guys are super_heroes._ [QUOTE=MrDibble] This. Precisely this. This is what made the movie for me. [/QUOTE] Nah. Those are the ancient, overly righteous, soupy, superheroes of Yesteryear. The ones who save everyone, including the pets, and then fly far away to stand astride on a mountain with their fists propped on their hips, staring at the sky meaningfully with an American flag somehow planted nearby. I like the dark superhero, the one with tragic faults, the one who knows they can’t save everyone, especially with supervillians trying to kill them. The one’s who sometimes have to make decisions on who to save and sacrifice. There was a hint at that in AoU. They discussed briefly the fact that the higher the chunk of earth traveled, the more destruction it would cause. I was disappointed they never had to make the thousands vs. millions decision. It would have made the film (and the characters) more dramatic and interesting. For me. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/146 "2015-05-03T22:23:03Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I take it you’re unfamiliar with the power level of comic book Scarlet Witch… No kidding. If Marvel ever decides that the MCU needs a reboot… “No more movies!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/147 "2015-05-03T22:36:32Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > **JohnT** , did any of those 13-year-old girls have a reaction to Quicksilver’s fate? At the showing I was at there were audible reactions from several younger females when that happened. This particular group didn’t care, not that I saw, other than the typical “Awww…” > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Ruffalo can console himself over losing the thirteen year old demographic with Scarlett Johansson’s offer to be his shower-buddy. Which I, too, thought when this voting occurred… but wasn’t going to express my opinion. 😉 Speaking of which, I thought the relationships were fairly clumsily handled. Seemed to be that we were being lead down the path of Hawkeye and Black Widow are mixing and matching genitalia… then, “Surprise! Hawkeye has a wife and kids! Oh, and Natasha is getting it on with Banner.” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/148 "2015-05-03T22:41:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I take it you’re unfamiliar with the power level of comic book Scarlet Witch… He might be old, like me, and remember the Scarlet Witch’s power level back when she joined the Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/149 "2015-05-03T22:42:30Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Critics gave the first movie higher ratings because of its novelty at the time. The reviews I’ve read that are less than flattering claim this movie is “overstuffed” with too much, but that to me sounds like the complaint of someone who is watching this movie as a stand-alone when it’s clearly a part of something much larger. If you aren’t a fan of the Marvel movies in general and the story they’re telling through the entire MCU, then you’re not going to like this movie as much as the first. If you are, you’ll like it more. Well, you’re free to speak for yourself, of course, but you’d be wrong if you were to speak for me. I know all the source movies, was paying enough attention to answer most of the questions asked up thread, liked it, but not as much as the first one, and while I won’t itemize my opinions, ‘overstuffed’ is a decent summary. YMMV, but it’s only yours. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/150 "2015-05-03T22:47:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Speaking of which, I thought the relationships were fairly clumsily handled. Seemed to be that we were being lead down the path of Hawkeye and Black Widow are mixing and matching genitalia… then, “Surprise! Hawkeye has a wife and kids! Oh, and Natasha is getting it on with Banner.” ‘I adore you, but I need the other guy’. One of my favorite scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/151 "2015-05-03T23:11:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I thought the whole idea was that humanity (and all other life on the planet) would be replaced by _him_. That he, Ultron, the Singularity, was the next step in the planet’s evolution. Could be. It’s not clear, and it’s definitely neither original nor intriguing as a premise. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/152 "2015-05-03T23:17:44Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I think we get it. You didn’t like it. Most people did. Holding the minority opinion doesn’t make you right. And hyperbolic criticisms don’t make you insightful. My feeling was more disappointment than hate. I would have loved for Whedon to top the original, come up with something really clever. I agree: Most people who saw this liked it. It doesn’t seem that most people loved it, however. In 2012, Avengers was an _event._ This wasn’t. > [@](#): > > It was a fine film. It was, in my opinion, one of the best action films of all time. It was scripted tight and not a scene was wasted. It told a story, and it told well and internally consistently. That doesn’t make it perfect, but it’s far from the chucklefuck disaster you’re asserting. Actually… I pointed out some of the stupid in the movie, but my overall complaint is that the content felt _tired._ Unoriginal. Uninspired. It was definitely _not_ a “hahahha this is so bad it’s funny!” type movie. Rather, it felt like a game of (eye)Candyland, just pulling cards and going through the motions. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/153 "2015-05-03T23:21:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > then, “Surprise! Hawkeye has a wife and kids! Oh, and Natasha is getting it on with Banner.” I really didn’t buy it either. Banner as played Ruffalo seems rather asexual. In a well-acted, realistic way. Like a genuinely Asperger’s-y only-cares-about-science kinda guy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/154 "2015-05-03T23:35:31Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I thought the whole idea was that humanity (and all other life on the planet) would be replaced by him. That he, Ultron, the Singularity, was the next step in the planet’s evolution. > > Could be. It’s not clear Again, didn’t Ultron flatly say the only life left on the planet would be metal? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/155 "2015-05-03T23:45:37Z")
Two things that haven’t been mentioned so far: Stan Lee’s cameo was great. His drunken “Excelsior!” as they carried him out was his best line yet. I don’t think the Hulk had a line in this movie, did he? He had one (or two?) line in each of the previous movies - I wonder why they left that out. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/156 "2015-05-03T23:54:45Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Actually… I pointed out some of the stupid in the movie, but my overall complaint is that the content felt _tired._ Unoriginal. Uninspired. It was definitely _not_ a “hahahha this is so bad it’s funny!” type movie. Rather, it felt like a game of (eye)Candyland, just pulling cards and going through the motions. But your stupid, is someone else’s ‘_meh - its a comic book movie_’. I agree with a couple of your original points, but disagree with a few of them. While I won’t go down the path ‘you weren’t paying attention’ a couple of your points were covered off in within the movie, which you either missed, or weren’t satisfied with. It’s funny that my one major ’ _that makes no sense_’ moment, no one else has even mentioned. And that is that Ultron’s plan for a planet killing event just wasn’t going to work. Spoilery Just in case. [Spoiler] The chunk of city is not going to cause anything even close to an extinction level event, no matter how high it goes. It was funny when the chunk was at some (air is getting thin) height, 20,000 feet or whatever, and someone comments that it is going to cause Billions of deaths. Bzzt. Wrong. It would cause significant damage to the rest of the city underneath it, but that’s about it. This chunk of rock, even if sped up by the reverse vibranium thrusters is going to get nowhere near the velocities that an actual extinction level asteroid reaches which IIRC is multiple 10 of thousands of kilometres per hour. [/Spoiler] Apart from there wee a few nit-picky issues for me, but despite those, I still really enjoyed this movie. I’m a comic book reader from way back (although haven’t read any in years), so don’t know if that helps. But I would put this movie up with the top tier of MCU flicks, like Avengers and Iron Man. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/157 "2015-05-04T00:11:57Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Nah. Those are the ancient, overly righteous, soupy, superheroes of Yesteryear. The ones who save everyone, including the pets, and then fly far away to stand astride on a mountain with their fists propped on their hips, staring at the sky meaningfully with an American flag somehow planted nearby. > > I like the dark superhero, the one with tragic faults, the one who knows they can’t save everyone, especially with supervillians trying to kill them. The one’s who sometimes have to make decisions on who to save and sacrifice. There was a hint at that in AoU. They discussed briefly the fact that the higher the chunk of earth traveled, the more destruction it would cause. I was disappointed they never had to make the thousands vs. millions decision. It would have made the film (and the characters) more dramatic and interesting. For me. It’s kind of funny because the conflict you describe here is exactly the subtext of the story Kingdom Come. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/158 "2015-05-04T00:13:37Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Again, didn’t Ultron flatly say the only life left on the planet would be metal? I don’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/159 "2015-05-04T00:15:37Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I don’t remember. He did. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509/160 "2015-05-04T00:18:57Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > [Spoiler] The chunk of city is not going to cause anything even close to an extinction level event, no matter how high it goes. It was funny when the chunk was at some (air is getting thin) height, 20,000 feet or whatever, and someone comments that it is going to cause Billions of deaths. > > Bzzt. Wrong. It would cause significant damage to the rest of the city underneath it, but that’s about it. This chunk of rock, even if sped up by the reverse vibranium thrusters is going to get nowhere near the velocities that an actual extinction level asteroid reaches which IIRC is multiple 10 of thousands of kilometres per hour. [/Spoiler] So what makes you think it couldn’t accelerate the city to tens of thousands of km per hour, or more even? Banner and Stark and Ultron know better than you what vibranium’s properties are. They say it could work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-age-of-ultron-seen-it-thread/718509.md?page=9)