# The Alina Habba Pit thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 11, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965 "2024-01-11T17:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/401 "2024-04-26T13:20:37Z")
_♫Una Alina Habba_ _Oh shady lawyers who lie_ _New Jersey can take your license away♫_ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/402 "2024-04-27T17:34:18Z")
Insert the standard “I understood that reference” gif here. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/403 "2024-04-27T17:41:56Z")
Insert the standard ‘I didn’t understand that reference’ gif here. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/404 "2024-04-27T19:49:49Z")
Sorry, it’s just that every time I see the name ‘Alina Habba’ I get an _Una Paloma Blanca_ earworm. I really, really don’t like that song. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/405 "2024-04-27T20:05:32Z")
Some things scan so perfectly it would be sinful not to share them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/406 "2024-04-27T20:18:42Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > _Una Paloma Blanca_ Ah. Now I get it. Slim Whitman, right? ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/407 "2024-04-27T20:23:10Z")
He sold more albums than the Beatles. ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/408 "2024-04-27T22:29:02Z")
We should trade ear-worms for a while just for the change of pace. Mine is the Beat Farmers: _She was walkin’ down the street on a sunny day, Habba Habba Habba Habba Habba. A feeling in her bones that she’ll have her way, Habba Habba Habba Habba Habba._ ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/409 "2024-04-27T22:40:40Z")
_Habba Habba Habba Habba, Habba Alinian…_ [harmonica hook] _You come and go…_ _You come and go… far away!_ ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/410 "2024-04-27T22:52:59Z")
Not sure if you were joshin…Pretty sure the Beatles sold more (some sources say 500 million albums, others 420) compared to Slim’s 70 miillion. Counting down when AH joins Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/411 "2024-04-27T23:07:22Z")
Sorry, there was an old commercial for a Slim Whitman collection and that was a line from the commercial. I believe the same line was used for the Boxcar Willy commercial. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/412 "2024-04-28T12:32:40Z")
Re: objections - Isn’t every over-ruled objection a potential grounds for appeal? Also, won’t Team Trump say “Clearly, the judge was prejudiced. He ruled against us 95% of the time and that’s just not fair!”? Given the recent USSC history, I could see that argument flying. Disregard the fact it has no wings. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/413 "2024-04-28T12:50:38Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > Also, won’t Team Trump say “Clearly, the judge was prejudiced. He ruled against us 95% of the time and that’s just not fair!”? Given the recent USSC history, I could see that argument flying. I’ve maybe missed it, but: when, in _“recent USSC history,”_ has the percentage of rulings going one way instead of another been held in itself to signify clear proof of unfairness and prejudice? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/414 "2024-04-28T14:34:25Z")
Considering how many cases of precedent have been largely ignored or overturned rendering _stare decesis_ almost a sick joke, I’d say you have missed quite a bit ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/415 "2024-04-28T14:42:22Z")
That they’ve overturned _bad_ precedent shouldn’t count against them; have they actually gotten a ruling _wrong?_ ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/416 "2024-04-28T16:10:35Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > Re: objections - Isn’t every over-ruled objection a potential grounds for appeal? Yes, but it’s a high standard. Most rulings during trial are reviewed with an “abuse of discretion” standard, which is almost never met. Furthermore, even if a ruling or two is in error, it couild be considered “harmless” in light of all the other evidence. > [@MikeF](#): > > Also, won’t Team Trump say “Clearly, the judge was prejudiced. He ruled against us 95% of the time and that’s just not fair!”? I’ve seen that argument made. I’ve never seen it succeed. Appellate judges aren’t idiots, they understand that one side could be making a huge number of stupid objections. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/417 "2024-04-28T16:29:57Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That they’ve overturned _bad_ precedent shouldn’t count against them; have they actually gotten a ruling _wrong?_ Arguably, yes. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so much debate about their decisions. But that’s the point - they interpret what is legally correct in the US, not what is “right or wrong”. And even then, it’s taken as an interpretation which may itself be overturned in the future. And that’s one reason why precedent has, until quite recently, been taken to be so important - if a different set of judges will rule differently a few years later, there’s no longer a pretense that the legal system is a good approximation of ‘justice’, whatever that is supposed to be. Overturning decades long precedent should be a weighty matter and not quite so correlated with the ideological leanings of the justices and whoever nominated and voted them there. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/418 "2024-04-28T16:30:49Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That they’ve overturned _bad_ precedent shouldn’t count against them; have they actually gotten a ruling _wrong?_ Is this a joke? It would literally be easier to name the few decisions that they got **right** , and yes, there were some. There’s a reason that the current Court, dominated by far-right ideologues, is polling with mainstream America at the worst popularity numbers in its history. Among the most egregious decisions, showing zero respect for long-standing precedent or even for basic reasoning and common sense, were _Heller_, _Citizens United_, and _Dobbs_, just to name a few. The sole objective was to ram through an ideological ruling because they could. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/419 "2024-04-28T16:44:32Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > But that’s the point - they interpret what is legally correct in the US, not what is “right or wrong”. No, that’s _my_ point: I’m speaking of getting a ruling wrong in the sense of being legally incorrect. I’d argue that _Roe_ should’ve prompted you to say they got it egregiously wrong as opposed to being legally correct — and that overturning Roe should’ve prompted you to say _now they’re getting it legally correct._ I’m saying the former case is when you should’ve lost some faith in the Supreme Court, and the latter is when you should’ve gained some, solely on the basis of ‘interpreting what is legally correct. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965/420 "2024-04-28T16:59:34Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > that overturning Roe should’ve prompted you to say _now they’re getting it legally correct_ So in your view, when Trump promised that if he got elected he would overturn Roe v Wade by packing the Supreme Court with like-minded ideologues, he was only interested in getting things “legally correct”? That when right-wing nutbars voted for him, they were only interested in getting things “legally correct”? That when Trump did as promised, and the far-right lunatics he appointed did what was expected of them, along strictly ideological lines, that said far-right lunatics were only concerned with “getting it legally correct”? Is that why the ruling was so widely condemned by constitutional scholars, because it was so awesomely “legally correct”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alina-habba-pit-thread/995965.md?page=22)