# The Alt-Right is Abandonign Trump, and the Left Will Soon Give Him "Strange New Respect" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010 "2017-04-07T21:20:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/101 "2017-04-13T18:40:02Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > … but in 4 years, I predict they’ll all be saying,“Wow- that wasn’t as bad as we thought.” From your lips to the Ears. I’m a pessimist, I love being wrong. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/102 "2017-04-13T18:52:33Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > The Republicans who held their noses and voted for Trump will get NOTHING for abandoning their principles. I am dubious about most of your claims, things may work out without our country going down in flames, so that will be exceeding my expectations for this administration, but as far as the part I quoted, agreed 100%. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/103 "2017-04-13T18:59:19Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Trump never had any real allegiance to the Republicans nor the Democrats before them. It’s this fact which is going to make him an interesting President. Not necessarily a good one or a bad one, just an interesting one. ‘Interesting’ in the sense of the ancient Chinese curse. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/104 "2017-04-13T19:04:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > ‘Interesting’ in the sense of the ancient Chinese curse. Is that the one where your body turns into a fortune cookie? Ah, interesting times, interesting times… ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/105 "2017-04-13T19:07:51Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Steve Bannon is on the way out. Far from being an evil Svengali whom Trump can’t resist, Bannon was a useful hanger on whom Trump has more or less dumped. > > So, who IS Trump listening to now? His son-in-law Jared Kushner and economic advisor Gary Cohn. > > Wait… Kushner? Cohn? Oh my God, Jewish liberal Democrats are running the White House now! The alt-right is already realizing how stupid it was to take Mr. Toad of Toad Hall seriously. The alt-Right will soon be castigating Trump as a puppet of the Zionists! > > And the Left will have to realize that Trump not only ISN’T an anti-semite, he’s leaning on Jews for all his advice. Not Republican Jews either! > > I suspect Neil Gorsuch is the last conservative judge Trump will ever appoint. Trump has already sent Ivanka to try to make nice with Planned Parenthood (unsuccessfully, but give it time). If Breyer or Ginsburg were to die next year, I predict Chuck Schumer will be very pleased with the replacement. > > Both the far right and the mainstream right will soon see how dumb it was to put any trust in Trump. And the Left will start making peace with him sooner than you expect. The media really does not understand Trump and continues to underestimate him. Their bromance story with Putin was utter fabrication, much like the Hitler companions where. Trump’s family is mostly Jewish. Those flame stories are now gone for good. Trump has some right leaning positions for sure, but to me he’s a union type of guy, which used to be a Democratic strong hold. Bannon was a key man for the election and can be dismissed at any time, but I suspect even if he’s no longer in Washington DC, Trump will seek his counsel when necessary. Who the next Supreme court person will be depends on who controls the senate. If its Republican based, which I suspect it will be for his entire first term, it will be another conservative justice nominated and approved. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/106 "2017-04-13T19:09:14Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > Yeah… I don’t know about all that. > > Political leanings aside, I have a problem with his incompetence and the obvious corruption of him and his cabinet members. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/107 "2017-04-13T19:33:59Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Trump has some right leaning positions for sure, but to me he’s a union type of guy, which used to be a Democratic strong hold. Wherever did you get that idea? [Donald Trump’s Vegas Hotel Finally Ended Its Fight Against Union Workers](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/21/donald_trump_s_vegas_hotel_finally_ended_its_fight_against_union_workers.html) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel agreed on Wednesday to a four-year contract with the union representing its employees, concluding a two-year battle that faced the specter of becoming one of the President-elect’s most glaring conflicts of interest. > > More than 500 Trump hotel workers voted to unionize last December and became officially certified in April. **The hotel refused to recognize the union** and shortly prior to Trump’s election, the National Labor Relations Board ruled that it was violating the law with that refusal. **Trump and his business partner Phil Ruffin appealed the ruling to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.** Ooh, conflict of interest. > [@](#): > > s Slate’s Henry Grabar noted last month, the potential conflict of interest was an especially thorny one. There are two vacancies on the NLRB, which Trump is set to fill. In a year, the board’s general counsel—whose job it is to defend the NLRB against appeals’ such as Trump’s—would also vacate his job, which would then be filled by President Trump. > > If Trump lost his case, meanwhile, and it was successfully appealed to the Supreme Court, his own justice department would have been tasked with defending the initial NLRB ruling against Trump at the high court. There’s also his buying of Chinese steel and aluminum, his stating the minimum wage is too high and his original nomination of [Andrew Puzder](http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/15/andrew-puzder-robots-better-because-they-never-vacation-sue.html) for Labor Secretary. > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump’s pick for Secretary of Labor, CKE Restaurants CEO Andy Puzder — who withdrew his nomination for the position Wednesday — has previously said that, in some ways, robots made better employees than people. > > “They’re always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there’s never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case,” Puzder previously said in an interview with Business Insider. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/108 "2017-04-13T19:44:43Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > …Trump has some right leaning positions for sure, but to me he’s a union type of guy, which used to be a Democratic strong hold. … They sold you “Blue Collar Billionaire”, and you bought it! Trump is pro-union? Bless your heart, Trump is _pro-Trump_! Its OK with him if unions are pro-Trump, but he doesn’t give a rat’s patoot about you, and even less about me. And you just because you voted for him, he’s done with you now. Take a sniff. Good morning, that’s coffee… ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/109 "2017-04-13T23:07:43Z")
You think the left only cares about social issues? Like, if Donald Trump doesn’t give a shit about gay marriage pro or con, then he’s their guy? You know what else leftists care a lot about? The unchecked power of the plutocracy. And if there’s anything in the world that Trump believes in, it’s that the super-rich don’t get a fair shake and deserve a helping hand. Sure, Trump is never going to nominate a social conservative, unless that social conservative is also onboard with cutting taxes on the rich. But that’s the entire Republican Establishment. You might find a few Republican officeholders who care more about social issues than tax cuts for the rich, but you’re not going to find more than a handful who won’t vote for tax cuts for the rich. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/110 "2017-04-13T23:33:08Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You know what else leftists care a lot about? Hitler? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/111 "2017-04-14T00:32:08Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > 1. Ivanka, like most rich Manhattanites, finds social conservatives tacky and embarrassing She’ll want to distance her family from them. She’s already making nice with Planned Parenthood. Bet on Cecile Richards getting her money. :rolleyes: [President Trump signed legislation Thursday allowing states to withhold federal family planning funds from Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-measure-to-withhold-federal-family-planning-funds-from-planned-parenthood-abortion-providers/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/112 "2017-04-14T00:35:41Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > :rolleyes: > > [President Trump signed legislation Thursday allowing states to withhold federal family planning funds from Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-measure-to-withhold-federal-family-planning-funds-from-planned-parenthood-abortion-providers/) Obviously, Ivanka wasn’t the last person he talked to. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/113 "2017-04-14T00:55:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The whole reason Trump won the primary was that he told those social folks that they’d been played for patsies by the last few Rs. Which was true. He then went on to say that he’d be different. [Different.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw9Cr2TXcAE_aJA.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/114 "2017-04-14T01:34:45Z")
Good comic. Thanks. I’m also reminded of Dr. Suess’ story of Oobleck. With the benighted public in the role of King and Trump in the role of sorcerer. It’ll take years to scrape off all the gunk and clean the place back up after he’s done doing what they ignorantly asked him to do. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/115 "2017-04-14T01:37:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Good comic. Thanks. > > I’m also reminded of Dr. Suess’ story of Oobleck. With the benighted public in the role of King and Trump in the role of sorcerer. It’ll take years to scrape off all the gunk and clean the place back up after he’s done doing what they ignorantly asked him to do. If I remember, the sun came out and melted all the oobleck. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/116 "2017-04-14T16:31:19Z")
When my family tried to seriously discuss Trump’s positions and policies I refused to engage. My response was along the lines of: Geez Mom, the man’s a total con artist. It doesn’t MATTER what he says because it bears no relationship to what he’s going to do. He basically just says what what he thinks his audience wants to hear. But Mom didn’t listen and she’s all pissed off now because she believed his schtick about the awesome cheap health care plan ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/117 "2017-04-14T17:17:35Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I’m a traditional religious conservative, so this prognostication disgusts me. But I’m pretty sure it’s going to happen. The Republicans who held their noses and voted for Trump will get NOTHING for abandoning their principles. > > And liberals will get far more than they had any reason to hope for. No, Berniebots won’t ever love Trump, but in 4 years, I predict they’ll all be saying,“Wow- that wasn’t as bad as we thought.” I disagree. Somebody is going to be in charge of the swamp. If the Trump administration continues to be ineffective, it just creates room for the Republican conservatives in Congress to act. They’ll be quietly enacting their agenda while Trump functions as the lightning rod. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/118 "2017-04-14T17:25:16Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Trump’s family is mostly Jewish. What websites have you been reading? Trump is not Jewish. Most of his family is not Jewish. He has one Jewish son-in-law and his daughter converted when they got married. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/119 "2017-04-14T17:38:38Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > When my family tried to seriously discuss Trump’s positions and policies I refused to engage. My response was along the lines of: > > Geez Mom, the man’s a total con artist. It doesn’t MATTER what he says because it bears no relationship to what he’s going to do. He basically just says what what he thinks his audience wants to hear. > But Mom didn’t listen and she’s all pissed off now because she believed his schtick about the awesome cheap health care plan Has she been able to admit yet that you were right? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010/120 "2017-04-14T19:21:46Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Has she been able to admit yet that you were right? Politics \*and \*family? Have you ever known your mother to admit that she was wrong? Have you ever known someone politically opposite you to admit that they were wrong? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-alt-right-is-abandonign-trump-and-the-left-will-soon-give-him-strange-new-respect/784010.md?page=7)