# The Amazing Race 11/25: "Fishy Kiss" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2012, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115 "2012-11-26T01:06:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/41 "2012-11-27T14:51:03Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Um, France has the three color bars set vertically, Holland horizontally. You’re kidding. OK, that makes it considerably easier. (Everybody must have been waving their little flags sideways, because they looked horizontal.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/42 "2012-11-27T14:54:52Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > You’re kidding. OK, that makes it considerably easier. > > (Everybody must have been waving their little flags sideways, because they looked horizontal.) Heh…I don’t know if anyone else caught it, but Abbie was tweaking Ryan for the France/Holland mixup in the cab by repeatedly holding the flag so the stripes were horizontal and saying “Holland”, then turning it 90 degrees and saying “France”. “Holland…France…Holland…France…” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/43 "2012-11-27T15:22:26Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Heh…I don’t know if anyone else caught it, but Abbie was tweaking Ryan for the France/Holland mixup in the cab by repeatedly holding the flag so the stripes were horizontal and saying “Holland”, then turning it 90 degrees and saying “France”. “Holland…France…Holland…France…” I caught it. 😛 Did anyone else notice the close up of the instructions “by foot” while they were on the boat? Seemed like it was foreshadowing, but I don’t remember anything being said about that afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/44 "2012-11-27T15:44:54Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > I caught it. 😛 > > Did anyone else notice the close up of the instructions “by foot” while they were on the boat? Seemed like it was foreshadowing, but I don’t remember anything being said about that afterwards. Yeah I thought for sure someone was going to screw up the “on foot” thing since they made a point of zooming in on that part of the clue. Count me in as another one who saw the flag and thought France. I’d have been screwed. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/45 "2012-11-27T19:10:32Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I didn’t like Trey & Lexi on this leg. Her voice, for one thing. But there was something in their attitude when they got to the U-Turn and saw that Jaymes & James had followed through on the scheme to shaft Abbie & Ryan. They acted as though they should be immune from any gamesmanship. Basically, the Chippenmunks could have screwed Abbie & Ryan (which they did) or the Farmers, or Trey & Lexi, or to do whatever they hell they felt was best for them. It’s hard to explain; T&R’s attitude seemed to be that screwing another team was just part of the game, but if J&J had backed out of the plan they would have taken it personally. They had that attitude because all three teams (T&L, J&J and TWINNIES!!!) got together and hammered out this plan beforehand. It wouldn’t make sense for Lexi to be concerned that the chipmunks would U-Turn them. Of course they didn’t expect to get screwed by the plan they were part of. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/46 "2012-11-27T20:04:13Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > They had that attitude because all three teams (T&L, J&J and TWINNIES!!!) got together and hammered out this plan beforehand. It wouldn’t make sense for Lexi to be concerned that the chipmunks would U-Turn them. Of course they didn’t expect to get screwed by the plan they were part of. They didn’t expect it, but why not? There is no honor among thieves. If Abbie & Ryan are fair game, then so are Trey & Lexi. That sort of scheming and plotting is exactly what I hate about _Survivor_ ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/47 "2012-11-27T20:14:41Z")
If you’re going to use the U-turn, it really does make sense to use it on 1) a strong team who is 2) at or near the back of the pack. Trey & Lexi were far enough ahead of the other teams that making them do both Detours probably wouldn’t have changed the order of the finish, so it would have made enemies for no good reason. OTOH U-Turning Abby & Ryan would probably eliminate them – although only if the farmers were given a chance to catch up to A&R, which they luckily were. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/48 "2012-11-27T20:43:16Z")
> [@Dr\_Doom](#): > > Hay IS food! :rolleyes: Hay is for horses! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/49 "2012-11-27T21:23:23Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > If you’re going to use the U-turn, it really does make sense to use it on 1) a strong team who is 2) at or near the back of the pack. Trey & Lexi were far enough ahead of the other teams that making them do both Detours probably wouldn’t have changed the order of the finish, so it would have made enemies for no good reason. OTOH U-Turning Abby & Ryan would probably eliminate them – although only if the farmers were given a chance to catch up to A&R, which they luckily were. Right. The Farmers are not a threat in this next round. Trey and Lexi would have survived the U-Turn and likely still come third. James and Jaymes knew that, so why bother to U-Turn them? The plan to eliminate the threat (Abby and Ryan) only works if someone U-Turns them and someone else “wastes” the second U-Turn on a team already checked in, so as to make sure Abby and Ryan can’t U-Turn the Farmers. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/50 "2012-11-27T22:27:14Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > If you’re going to use the U-turn, it really does make sense to use it on 1) a strong team who is 2) at or near the back of the pack. Trey & Lexi were far enough ahead of the other teams that making them do both Detours probably wouldn’t have changed the order of the finish, so it would have made enemies for no good reason. OTOH U-Turning Abby & Ryan would probably eliminate them – although only if the farmers were given a chance to catch up to A&R, which they luckily were. It was a strategically sound move, but no one (almost) on the show was talking about it in strategic terms. Abbie & Ryan said the Twins would U-Turn them because they didn’t like them. Trey & Lexi acted as if the Chippenmunks owed them some sort of loyalty. They only ones who looked at it in terms of game play were the Farmers, who realized A&R were considered more of a threat. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/51 "2012-11-28T02:54:14Z")
Is this episode worth watching online? My DVR screwed up. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/52 "2012-11-28T03:01:31Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Is this episode worth watching online? . Yes, discounting the fact that you already know all the spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/53 "2012-11-28T04:56:27Z")
Thanks, I did watch online. I have question that was unclear on my laptop screen. When the Chippie took his shirt off to get more tips at the organ grinder, he seems to have something wrapped around his waist. But I could not tell what it was. Then there appeared to be nothing around his waist when he was begging for tips. Does anyone know what that was? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/54 "2012-11-28T05:04:40Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Thanks, I did watch online. I have question that was unclear on my laptop screen. > > When the Chippie took his shirt off to get more tips at the organ grinder, he seems to have something wrapped around his waist. But I could not tell what it was. > > Then there appeared to be nothing around his waist when he was begging for tips. > > Does anyone know what that was? Decent shot of what **notfrommensa** seems to be talking about [here](http://www.realitynation.com/tv-shows/amazing-race/21-episode-9-recap/23654/) (third photo in the article). It kind of looks like a set-up to secure what looks like a portable mic powerpack. ---
**Author:** ![araminty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@araminty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/araminty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/55 "2012-11-28T05:54:05Z")
[Moneybelt](http://www.luggagepoint.com/smooth-trip-deluxe-waist-money-belt?CAWELAID=1515560670&cagpspn=pla&gclid=COvTntL88LMCFUdxQgodnTgAag), as worn by paranoid American tourists expecting to get pickpocketed. ---
**Author:** ![adhemar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@adhemar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhemar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/56 "2012-11-28T07:38:33Z")
doesnt look like a money belt to me. more like a battery pack. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/57 "2012-11-28T13:04:59Z")
I agree - looks like a mic pack. StG ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/58 "2012-11-28T14:14:04Z")
Wireless lavalier microphone transmitter. Pretty standard fare on talk shows and reality shows. Always spoils a good rear end view, imho. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115/59 "2012-11-28T21:24:04Z")
At first I thought it was something therapeutic, (like a pump) but a battery pack makes sense since they were both wearing it. I only saw it on the Blond Chippie. Thanks for the replies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-11-25-fishy-kiss/642115.md?page=2)