# The Amazing Race 12/14 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770 "2004-12-14T12:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/1 "2004-12-14T12:47:06Z")
I’ve come up with a fantastic solution to the bunching problem: some team needs to grow cojones and jump a fence the next time they encounter a closed gate. To date the worst penalty the producers have imposed is 30 minutes, and that’s for the serious crime of stealing someone else’s car. Think how much of a leap some teams would have if they had broken into the tower last week and grabbed their next clue, or jumped the fence at the cemetary and found the grave site while everyone else was taking a nap. 30 minute penalty? Doesn’t matter much if you’ve got an 8 hour lead on team number 2… Of course, there’s a good chance the producers are lazy and wouldn’t have actually installed the clue in the first place, but that’s _their_ problem. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/2 "2004-12-14T12:56:28Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > To date the worst penalty the producers have imposed is 30 minutes, and that’s for the serious crime of stealing someone else’s car. I thought the only penalty so far was for picking up the two clues instead of one. I don’t remember the older couple getting in trouble for taking the wrong car. I think what they need to do is goto places that have more then one plane. Last weeks snafu didn’t cost the teams anything and it should have cost them big time. I like for them to go to the out of the way places but they should make them drive there or something like that. They should have made them fly into some other large city in Africa and then drive to some remote place. This way you screw up, you could be hours behind and not right there. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/3 "2004-12-14T13:26:40Z")
> [@Edward The Head](#): > > I thought the only penalty so far was for picking up the two clues instead of one. I don’t remember the older couple getting in trouble for taking the wrong car. They didn’t apply the penalty when Don and Mary Jean arrived at the Pit Stop. But they did apply it afterward and Team Geritol slipped back a place because of it. They explained what happened when everyone was getting their first clue the other week. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/4 "2004-12-14T16:57:59Z")
I realize bunching upsets people’s coneption of fairness on a certain level, but the truth is the show would be far less interesting without it. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/5 "2004-12-14T17:20:32Z")
I’m comfortably certain that the Racers have to observe posted operating hours or face a penalty. One of the rules is that they must obey local laws, so breaking into a City Hall would probably be outside the pale. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/6 "2004-12-14T17:27:21Z")
Or even \*beyond \* the pale. Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/7 "2004-12-14T17:44:07Z")
> [@lisacurl](#): > > Or even \*beyond \* the pale. Jesus. I actually sat here and stared, trying to figure out why “outside the pale” sounded wrong. Then I scrolled down. :smack: Don and MJ are probably going to have a hard time finding money this week, which utterly sucks. I can take or leave Don, but I get a real kick out of MJ, and I’d be sorry to see her go. And I hope Lori decides to defend Bolo’s honor and kick the crap out of Hayden. Not because I dislike Hayden or anything, just because it would be _funny_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/8 "2004-12-14T17:58:17Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > To date the worst penalty the producers have imposed is 30 minutes, and that’s for the serious crime of stealing someone else’s car. The worst penalty ever imposed was a 24-hour delay in Season 1. Team Momily panicked when they couldn’t find the clue and simply went on to the next pit stop. Team Guido took the Fast Forward yet still managed to come in last place. The 24 hour penalty put Team Momily behind the Guidos, eliminating them from the race. ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/9 "2004-12-14T20:41:34Z")
I missed last week’s bore-fest (I don’t care **what** you say, any non-elim leg is a bore-fest. Looking forward to tonight. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/10 "2004-12-14T21:45:49Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > And I hope Lori decides to defend Bolo’s honor and kick the crap out of Hayden. Not because I dislike Hayden or anything, just because it would be _funny_. 🙂 The worst part of this is that Lori can – and probably would – snap Hayden like a twig, so it wouldn’t even be a good catfight. I mean, if Lori even bitchslapped Hayden, it would knock her into another time zone. Still, I’d pay good money to see that. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/11 "2004-12-14T21:50:06Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > The worst part of this is that Lori can – and probably would – snap Hayden like a twig, so it wouldn’t even be a good catfight. I mean, if Lori even bitchslapped Hayden, it would knock her into another time zone. Still, I’d pay good money to see that. I don’t know … the skinny girls with big hair in _my_ high school could kick a surprising amount of ass. Hayden looks like an eye-gouger to me. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/12 "2004-12-14T22:15:24Z")
I repeat: [What’s everyone’s problem with Hayden?](http://www.haydenkristianson.com/mainmenu.html) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/13 "2004-12-15T02:09:14Z")
_ **spoilers start here** _ Wow, the slave house in Senegal – very powerful stuff. I’m really glad they figured out a way to use that stop and yet do it respectfully. ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/14 "2004-12-15T02:16:55Z")
Oh, I cannot believe no one has mentioned Kendra’s remark yet :eek: “All the poverty and they just keep BREEDING!” Jesus, I thought she got blasted hard last week, can’t wait to see what everyone thinks of her now. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/15 "2004-12-15T02:26:30Z")
:rolleyes: Yeah. That’s the team my $5 is on. I feel complicitous in her bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Amazingrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@Amazingrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazingrace)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/16 "2004-12-15T02:27:48Z")
“What’s a stein of beer?” :smack: :wally Meanspirited and dumb to boot. I hope they get Philiminated soon… ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/17 "2004-12-15T02:31:14Z")
> [@scotandrsn](#): > > I repeat: > > [What’s everyone’s problem with Hayden?](http://www.haydenkristianson.com/mainmenu.html) Meh, not impressed. Her hair is so greasy I can hardly stand to look at her in the Race. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/18 "2004-12-15T02:50:41Z")
I have seen some heinous behavior on this show – but I have never, _ever_ seen anything like Jonathan going into the pitstop. Can’t they disqualify him from the race? Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Spacegirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Spacegirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spacegirl)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/19 "2004-12-15T02:51:08Z")
Jonathan just pushed Victoria! I hope she divorces that ass…Or CBS throws him in jail for abuse!! Grr…I am so mad!! ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/20 "2004-12-15T02:51:42Z")
Seemed like Phil felt the same way. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770.md?page=2)