# The Amazing Race 12/14 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770 "2004-12-14T12:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/21 "2004-12-15T02:57:00Z")
Let me just say that if I were Victoria, Jonathan would be picking up pieces of his teeth off the road in Berlin. I swear, that pissed me off more than anything I’ve seen in a long time. I guess we don’t really need more proof than that of how their relationship is off camera right? I’ve always said that the best someone ever treats their SO is in front of other people. I cringe to think of what happens behind closed doors in that house. I kinda thought Phil wanted to hit him. I would have paid to see that. ---
**Author:** ![ummm.yeahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ummm.yeahh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ummm.yeahh)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/22 "2004-12-15T02:58:49Z")
Truly one of the most horrible people I have ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/23 "2004-12-15T02:59:12Z")
i think it would be fun to watch lori deal with him… ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/24 "2004-12-15T02:59:48Z")
Hey, CBS? Wife abuse is not so much with the entertaining. Aside from that, I was sorry to see MJ and Don go, even though I knew it was eventually to be. Nice to see that Jon, Kris, Hera and Gus are all decent human beings. ---
**Author:** ![ummm.yeahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ummm.yeahh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ummm.yeahh)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/25 "2004-12-15T03:01:13Z")
BTW, did what he did constitute as abuse? For sure verbally, but he also hit her backpack off her back. Where’s the line on that? I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers sabotaged them at some point in the future. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/26 "2004-12-15T03:03:20Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > I have seen some heinous behavior on this show – but I have never, _ever_ seen anything like Jonathan going into the pitstop. > > Can’t they disqualify him from the race? Seriously. Oh. My. God. Jonathan must DIE! Ohmygod, I am feeling such violent rage right now. I hate, hate, hate Colin, and Jonathan is about 950 million times worse. I seriously thought Phil was going to pass out there, for a second. No doubt he conferred with the producers to see if any penalties could be assessed, don’t you think? Oh, and **Draelin**? You’re probably right about Hayden, but don’t forget that Lori’s a rassler. And **scotandrsn**? [This](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0159789/) is what I think is wrong with Hayden. Hacks, both Haydens, regardless of the spelling of “Christianson.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/27 "2004-12-15T03:03:23Z")
Y’know, when Kendra did her, “Africa is so filthy and disgusting, and they just keep breeding and breeding!” oh-no-she-di’n’t line, I thought that she was actually going to make Jonathan look decent this ep. I should have had more faith in Jonathan. That was…disgusting. His pack was LIGHTER than hers in the first place (great chivalry there, fella!), and he ditches it (in the middle of Berlin) because he’s too much of a wimp to actually carry it all the way to the Gate (looked like what? Half a mile?), so she stops to get it and carries BOTH PACKS that half mile, then he SHOVES her as they’re running to the mat because she stopped and saved HALF THEIR STUFF, the only stuff they have with them on this ROUND-THE-WORLD TRIP. Phil looked like he’d rather clock him than shake his hand. Lori and Bolo need to take Jonathan into a dark back alley and have a little…talk…with him… ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/28 "2004-12-15T03:03:29Z")
Oh. My. _God_. I am taking up a collection for Victoria’s divorce lawyer. It was mildly funny until tonight. What the hell is _wrong_ with that man?? Somebody should slap some duct tape across Kendra’s mouth. Does she not realize that she’s on television? And was it Hayden who made the comment about the slaves “escaping” from Africa? This is a large part of the reason why people hate Americans. I’m almost embarrassed to _watch_ it. But Bolo’s little petulant “I’m _not_ on steroids” made me laugh. As did Gus and the beer. That was hilarious. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/29 "2004-12-15T03:03:49Z")
> [@ummm... yeahh...](#): > > BTW, did what he did constitute as abuse? For sure verbally, but he also hit her backpack off her back. Where’s the line on that? I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers sabotaged them at some point in the future. Verbal abuse is bad enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/30 "2004-12-15T03:06:43Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Y’know, when Kendra did her, “Africa is so filthy and disgusting, and they just keep breeding and breeding!” oh-no-she-di’n’t line, I thought that she was actually going to make Jonathan look decent this ep. Me too. > [@jayjay](#): > > I should have had more faith in Jonathan. Me too. I thought Phil looked like he had spit-up in his mouth. And then for him to have to _tell_ Jonathan to go talk to Victoria. Jesus. Asshat. Makes Colin look like a Sensitive New Age man. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/31 "2004-12-15T03:07:30Z")
Who knew seven inches was so large? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/32 "2004-12-15T03:08:32Z")
Speaking of the “I think you should go talk to her” moment… Somehow I don’t think that the conversation they had was what Phil had in mind. ---
**Author:** ![supervenusfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@supervenusfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supervenusfreak)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/33 "2004-12-15T03:11:18Z")
> [@Terminus Est](#): > > Who knew seven inches was so large? 😃 LOL. We had the same exact reaction here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Amazingrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@Amazingrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazingrace)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/34 "2004-12-15T03:18:36Z")
I think that the scariest part of the Asshat/Victoria ending was Victoria’s crying. It didn’t look like exhausted or frustrated crying. It looked like “I’m scared that he’s about to hit me” crying. That poor woman. It just breaks my heart. ---
**Author:** ![supervenusfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@supervenusfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supervenusfreak)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/35 "2004-12-15T03:20:43Z")
> [@Amazingrace](#): > > I think that the scariest part of the Asshat/Victoria ending was Victoria’s crying. It didn’t look like exhausted or frustrated crying. It looked like “I’m scared that he’s about to hit me” crying. That poor woman. It just breaks my heart. I agree. This hasn’t been the first time, and it definitely isn’t going to be the last. Wait until the interviews next week and see how much she makes excuses for his nasty behavior. She should have left him on the spot. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/36 "2004-12-15T03:33:42Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > And was it Hayden who made the comment about the slaves “escaping” from Africa? No, that was Rebecca. She and Queen Adam were just as verbal as Kendra about how much Africa “sucked.” ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/37 "2004-12-15T03:34:59Z")
I feel guilty because I laughed my ass off when MJ hit the barrier in the soap box racer. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/38 "2004-12-15T03:35:55Z")
> [@lisacurl](#): > > No, that was Rebecca. She and Queen Adam were just as verbal as Kendra about how much Africa “sucked.” Yes, they were. But it was Kendra’s “they just keep breeding and breeding” thing that clinched her title of Bitch of the Week for me. There’s a difference between dissing the standard of living and dissing the people. Note that this doesn’t absolve Jonathan at all. He takes Bastard of the Week with top dishonors. ---
**Author:** ![Jadis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@Jadis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jadis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/39 "2004-12-15T03:50:55Z")
Wow…I’m speechless. I thought the Ugly American thing was going to be the episode topper but man…Jonathan at the end was just…wow. I really think Phil wanted to spit on Jonathan. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/40 "2004-12-15T03:53:46Z")
Because I can’t remember who it was and I’m too lazy to go look, I’ll just ask this to the general population and hope the person who noted that Jonathan is posting on dedicated Race message boards will answer. How’s he spinning this one? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770.md?page=3)