# The Amazing Race 12/14 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770 "2004-12-14T12:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/101 "2004-12-15T18:57:16Z")
Who’s Stanley Johnson? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/102 "2004-12-15T19:05:38Z")
I saw Don & MJ on The Early Show this morning. They were at the Berlin church for _2 and a half hours_ looking for the clue box, before Don spotted it across the street. They didn’t bother to read the last sentence of the clue, where it mentioned the broken chain statue. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/103 "2004-12-15T19:10:34Z")
After the first, oh, hour or so, don’t you think it would occur to you to reread the clue? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/104 "2004-12-15T19:12:51Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > People seem to be buying his presentation of himself as wealthy. What do you bet they’re in hock up to their eyebrows? I wasn’t going by his self presentation. I figured he was being his usual obnoxious self or delusional when talking about how wonderful his spa is. But the IMDB link mentions how successful it is. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/105 "2004-12-15T19:23:32Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > After the first, oh, hour or so, don’t you think it would occur to you to reread the clue? Best Don and MJ moment of the episode was when they kept looking and looking, and Don says, “We don’t have a clue what we’re looking for.” Yes, you do! It’s in the bright yellow CLUE ENVELOPE in your pocket! ---
**Author:** ![Avarie537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/48db29/32.png) [@Avarie537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avarie537)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/106 "2004-12-15T19:25:02Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Who’s Stanley Johnson? 😕 He was a guy in a commercial a while back. “Hi. I’m Stanley Johnson. I have a wife and three kids. We live in a nice house in a good neighborhood. Like my car? It’s new. blahdeblah. I’m in debt up to my eyeballs.” Stupid attempt at humor. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/107 "2004-12-15T19:34:01Z")
> [@hillbilly queen](#): > > I wasn’t going by his self presentation. I figured he was being his usual obnoxious self or delusional when talking about how wonderful his spa is. But the IMDB link mentions how successful it is. Didn’t he write that himself? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/108 "2004-12-15T19:34:41Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Didn’t he write that himself? I can’t think of anyone else with their head that far up his ass… ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/109 "2004-12-15T20:18:37Z")
What’s up with people using \* rather than writing the butt’s name? Also, check out the [message boards](http://www.jonathanbakerandvictoriafuller.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=10) at his and Victoria’s website. I wonder how many of those threads will be deleted. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/110 "2004-12-15T20:22:04Z")
Using the little graphic of an anus is preferable to defaming all the other Jonathans in the world by associating their name with his. > [@jayjay](#): > > I can’t think of anyone else with their head that far up his ass… Unless it’s Victim herself. I’m impressed with the total incoherence of that bio as much as with its bullshit level. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/111 "2004-12-15T20:49:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Using the little graphic of an anus is preferable to defaming all the other Jonathans in the world by associating their name with his. And it’s kind of like an indication of “He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named”. I’m almost ready to start calling him Voldemort myself. > [@](#): > > Unless it’s Victim herself. I’m impressed with the total incoherence of that bio as much as with its bullshit level. And she is soon to be dubbed Victimia in Chez Jayjayfreak… ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/112 "2004-12-15T20:52:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > And it’s kind of like an indication of “He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named”. I’m almost ready to start calling him Voldemort myself. No, Voldemort is an interesting character with a good amount of depth and intrique, with a storyline that keeps me captivated. Jonathan’s just a pathetic twit not worth my time. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/113 "2004-12-15T21:00:16Z")
Oh, I get it now. It’s like in _Breakfast of Champions_, when Vonnegut drew a picture of an asshole like so: * * * ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/114 "2004-12-15T23:06:48Z")
> [@Avarie537](#): > > He was a guy in a commercial a while back. > > “Hi. I’m Stanley Johnson. I have a wife and three kids. We live in a nice house in a good neighborhood. Like my car? It’s new. blahdeblah. I’m in debt up to my eyeballs.” > > Stupid attempt at humor. I liked it. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/115 "2004-12-15T23:08:36Z")
Yeah, Vonnegut’s shorthand is the perfect description of this guy. I can understand being at the end of your rope at this point in the race. By the time they hit the finish line, the teams had been going for close to 40 hours, with the only sleep they got on planes, in airports, and in front of the slavehouse. But that is still no excuse for \*'s behaviour. I’m tempted to think Victoria is just as bad for picking up the pack \* dropped, but it’s obvious she knows even more shit would have shoved down her throat had his bag been stolen. Got to say though, that if \* had actually carried his own bag, they would have won the leg easily. If that (virus? bug? paramecium?) spent 1/10th as much energy to thinking ahead as he did to venting, he’d probably win this race. As to the rest of the show, I think it’s easy to pick the final three teams: Hayden/Aaron Kris/Jon \*/Victim Lori and Bolo just can’t navigate to save their lives, Gus lacks a competitive drive, and Adam and Rebecca just aren’t good enough to make the final cut. The only way this changes, of course, is if \* and Victim come in last in one of the next two non-elimination legs in a dirt-poor place. \* seems to be _very_ good at convincing a local to guide them around, but I can’t see him actually getting a free cab ride somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/116 "2004-12-16T02:18:35Z")
I expect it will do no good whatsoever, but I went and filed a complaint on CBS’ website. In doing so, I quoted to them events from the episode as reported on their [website](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race6/show/ep05/index4.shtml#) (short quotes from the multipage episode summary): “A furious Jonathan shoved Victoria, blaming her for their second place finish.” "Furious, Jonathan ripped his bag from Victoria’s shoulder, screaming, “Why did you pick up my bag? Why?” "Just before stepping onto the mat in second place, Jonathan continued his attack on Victoria, shoving her and shouting, “How could you do that?” After being checked in by Phil, Victoria walked off the mat crying, to which Jonathan remarked, “She has to live with her choices.” Given CBS’ own recounting of the events that specifically cites physical contact, I really do wonder at the apparent lack of response. ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/117 "2004-12-16T02:30:39Z")
> [@scotandrsn](#): > > [This thread from the Sucks website](http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm23.showNextMessage?topicID=3775.topic) shows slo-mo of the most talked about Jonathan moments. > > I wasn’t dreaming last week. When they show a “diary” shot of her saying how much she and Jonathan want kids, the lighting made her face look scarred. > > I think he’s burned her in the past. Boiling water, perhaps. > > He definitely hits her regularly. I didn’t see it there, but I did see it on [this](http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm23.showMessageRange?topicID=3962.topic&start=41&stop=60) page. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/118 "2004-12-16T03:13:46Z")
Think about this: the preview for the next episode showed \* and Victim crawling about on a rather large CANNON. Can anyone here think of any reason why either of these psychos would be allowed anywhere near a weapon of that variety for any reason other than to do themselves in? ---
**Author:** ![D-bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@D-bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D-bear)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/119 "2004-12-16T11:16:53Z")
you don’t suppose this dickhead’s antics is what delayed the premere of this season of TAR do you? CBS trying to decide what they should and shouldn’t show after Janet Jackson and the Tittygate scandal. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770/120 "2004-12-16T12:16:18Z")
It was too bad to see Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru go. 😛😛😛😛😛 Seriously, they thought they were going to make up for being slow by being clever. They were the most discombobulated couple I’ve ever seen. Never seen a guy behave like Jonathan in real life or on TV. Perhaps there’s a way something good can come of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-race-12-14/279770.md?page=7)