# The Amazing Spider-Man - Trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 21, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778 "2011-07-21T00:07:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/41 "2011-07-23T13:59:36Z")
It looks like, and I’m hoping, that this is going to be Spider-Man’s Dark Knight. A lot of people in this thread didn’t like the trailer, think it’s too soon or whatever. Based on the trailer alone I think this looks ten times better than the last shit Spider-Man trilogy we had to deal with and I’d rather have this than Thor or the Green fucking Lantern. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/42 "2011-07-23T14:03:44Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > I don’t mind them using a new cast, but why do a reboot and show the origin story at all? Just make a Spider-Man movie that tells a new story. We know how he’s Spider-Man. They don’t redo the origin or start over each time a comic gets a new writer or artist. They just tell their own stories. > > I assume there will be a new Batman movie 2 or 3 years after The Dark Knight Rises. I don’t need to see kid Bruce watch his parents get shot again. It would be a perfect time to do The Dark Knight Returns as a stand-alone. This is exactly what I hate about all of these types of movies. There’s _absolutely no reason_ why they need to start from “the beginning.” Really, who doesn’t know the story and even if they don’t, who gives a fuck? It’s always the shittiest, most boring part of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/43 "2011-07-23T14:07:56Z")
> [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#): > > Maybe so, but this guy doesn’t look like he’s capable of cracking a _smile_, much less cracking a joke. [Sure he does.](http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l438/AClockworkMelon/ParkerSmile.jpg) Just because the trailer focused on dark shots doesn’t mean that that’s what the entire film is. It didn’t show him punching a bad guy so clearly he’ll be incapable of that, too, amirite? And the [mechanical web shooters](http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l438/AClockworkMelon/ParkerWebs.jpg) for anyone who wants to see them. I know they were already confirmed upthread. > [@DCnDC](#): > > This is exactly what I hate about all of these types of movies. There’s _absolutely no reason_ why they need to start from “the beginning.” Really, who doesn’t know the story and even if they don’t, who gives a fuck? It’s always the shittiest, most boring part of the movie. 100% disagreed. Those are always my favorite parts of these kinds of movies. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/44 "2011-07-23T16:50:25Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > This is exactly what I hate about all of these types of movies. There’s _absolutely no reason_ why they need to start from “the beginning.” Really, who doesn’t know the story and even if they don’t, who gives a fuck? It’s always the shittiest, most boring part of the movie. I’ve heard rumors that the next Superman movie will include his origin over the credits. Picture of scientists milling around. Picture of Kal-El bundling stuff into a spaceship. Baby in the spaceship. Kablooey! Crash land on Earth. Old couple finds baby. Cue start of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/45 "2011-07-23T16:52:58Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > 100% disagreed. Those are always my favorite parts of these kinds of movies. Same here. The self-discovery aspect is a big draw. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/46 "2011-07-23T17:17:48Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I’ve heard rumors that the next Superman movie will include his origin over the credits. > > Picture of scientists milling around. > Picture of Kal-El bundling stuff into a spaceship. > Baby in the spaceship. > Kablooey! > Crash land on Earth. > Old couple finds baby. > > Cue start of the movie. ALL-STAR SUPERMAN glided over it in four quick panels: a “doomed planet” caption with a shot of Krypton, “desperate scientists” with a shot of Jor-El and Lara, “last hope” with a shot of the rocket heading for Earth, “kindly couple” with a shot of Jon and Martha Kent finding the baby – and cue the yearlong epic story. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/47 "2011-07-23T17:48:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > ALL-STAR SUPERMAN glided over it in four quick panels… Hell, even Action Comics #1 glossed over it pretty quickly. [One page](http://geekwhisperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/actioncomics1-superman-origin.png?w=524&h=707). ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/48 "2011-07-23T21:23:03Z")
For those who don’t see the similarities between _The Amazing Spiderman_ and _The Twilight series_, look at the movie poster vs the first still of Andrew Garfield released. [Twilight: New Moon](http://api.ning.com/files/1CduQrKgKZ*4LiwDHXPTFCC*ntIjmxZrW1MU6Whejv4iP8nxZSk*l6XH0DOpyQazyWoiCWEVyolvpk9yjStC2kdewQGNIkPi/new_moon_poster_edward.jpg) [The Amazing Spiderman](http://0.tqn.com/d/movies/1/0/0/r/W/spider-man-andrew-garfield-first-photo.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/49 "2011-07-23T21:30:16Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > For those who don’t see the similarities between _The Amazing Spiderman_ and _The Twilight series_, look at the movie poster vs the first still of Andrew Garfield released. > > [Twilight: New Moon](http://api.ning.com/files/1CduQrKgKZ*4LiwDHXPTFCC*ntIjmxZrW1MU6Whejv4iP8nxZSk*l6XH0DOpyQazyWoiCWEVyolvpk9yjStC2kdewQGNIkPi/new_moon_poster_edward.jpg) > > [The Amazing Spiderman](http://0.tqn.com/d/movies/1/0/0/r/W/spider-man-andrew-garfield-first-photo.jpg) Seems a bit of a stretch, to me. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/50 "2011-07-23T21:39:13Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > ALL-STAR SUPERMAN glided over it in four quick panels The animated version thereof translated those panels (with the original Quitely art intact, even though the rest of the movie was done in a slightly different style) into stills and a voice over that were interspersed with Quintum’s sun dive, in the first _20 seconds_ of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/51 "2011-07-23T21:43:58Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > My feeling on why a reboot is not unreasonable: the interaction of a super-hero with a villain is about half a movie. It’s very difficult to sustain audience interest in one hero vs one villain for a full movie. Thus, the first movie in the super-hero series includes a large section devoted to origin, and then introduces major villian and battle. > > But the second movie needs to do SOMETHING else to fill the time, so commonly either a romance story (like in SUPERMAN II or SPIDER-MAN II) or a second villian (like in BATMAN RETURNS or THE DARK KNIGHT.) The third movie in the series then is almost always two or more villains, and the plots start to get confusing, the stories are not as interesting, boredom ensues and the audience drops (see BATMAN FOREVER, SPIDER-MAN III, etc.) The series thus peters out. > > It’s therefore not unreasonable to do a re-boot after a decade or so; that way, they only need one villian, a simpler plotline, etc. Ok, so every superhero movie follows one of three basic formulas and pretty much every series plows through them 1, 2, 3 before running out of steam. But why start over and do 1, 2, 3 all over again? If you’re going to basically remake the earlier movies in the series, why retell the origin every ten years? Why not do two or three variations on the romantic subplot? I understand that formulas work and it’s hard to come up with something truly groundbreaking that works, but the last thing I want to pay money for is another shot of Peter getting bitten by a spider and discovering he has powers. If I really want to see that again, I can see the version on DVD for one eighth the cost of seeing the new movie. Soon, the new movie will be on DVD, and then what will the producers do in ten years if they want to keep the franchise going? How many remakes can they do? At least with variations on the romantic subplot, they can tell a _different_ story with the same formula. Why not have a Gwen-Mary Jane love triangle? Or why not have another second tier superhero (who won’t require big casting or mess up the Marvel Universe) become a rival to Spidey and make him question his role? Why not do ANYTHING other than make the same damn movie over again? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/52 "2011-07-23T21:45:56Z")
[Here’s the All-Star Superman origin](http://www.thenerdsignal.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/All-Star-Superman-Page-1.jpg), for those who haven’t seen it before. [Here’s a fan-made attempt at doing the same for Batman,](http://media.photobucket.com/image/all%20star%20superman%20origin/newjason/bats/BatOrigin.png) which mostly highlights how difficult it is to completely capture both the story, and the emotion, of a story in just four panels and eight words. I guess that’s what makes Grant Morrison Grant Morrison. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/53 "2011-07-23T22:28:43Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > Ok, so every superhero movie follows one of three basic formulas and pretty much every series plows through them 1, 2, 3 before running out of steam. But why start over and do 1, 2, 3 all over again? If you’re going to basically remake the earlier movies in the series, why retell the origin every ten years? Why not do two or three variations on the romantic subplot? Or you can do what the James Bond films did for over 40 years (before the last two, which broke the pattern). Each movie is completely independent, with the hero fighting a new villain and romancing a new girl. No real continuity, no delving into the hero’s personal life, just a good guy, a bad guy, a girl and a mission. The superhero genre is uniquely fit for these kinds of stories. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/54 "2011-07-23T22:34:00Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > 100% disagreed. Those are always my favorite parts of these kinds of movies. > [@Spoke](#): > > Same here. The self-discovery aspect is a big draw. To each his own; I’ve had enough of superhero origin stories. They’re getting repetitive. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/55 "2011-07-24T00:06:56Z")
Same here, I don’t need to see anymore origin stories. I’ve seen them since the mid-80s. Most of these characters have 60-70 years of fresh stories to tell. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/56 "2011-07-24T00:47:39Z")
> [@Tanbarkie](#): > > Emo != teenage angst. And wearing a hoodie != emo. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/57 "2011-07-24T01:00:06Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > Why not do ANYTHING other than make the same damn movie over again? Arguably because Marvel is rebooting _everything_ in a shared universe. Avengers is coming. We’ve had Thor and Iron Man, with Captain America coming soon. Fantastic Four has been announced (but not much beyond that). X-Men has gone back to the beginning. I’d say expect a lot of crossovers from now on. I’ll be amazed if there isn’t mention of SHIELD and/or a cameo from the other movies in ASM. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/58 "2011-07-24T01:04:45Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I’d say expect a lot of crossovers from now on. If it’s true to the early Marvel universe, we’ll start getting some unexpected cameos. Spider-Man comes swinging around the corner of a building and runs into, I dunno, Iron Man, they exchange a few smart-ass quips and Spider-Man continues on his merry way. /Iron Man cameo ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/59 "2011-07-24T01:09:14Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > If it’s true to the early Marvel universe, we’ll start getting some unexpected cameos. Spider-Man comes swinging around the corner of a building and runs into, I dunno, Iron Man, they exchange a few smart-ass quips and Spider-Man continues on his merry way. /Iron Man cameo I didn’t start reading American comic books until after the first X-Men movie. I was genuinely surprised how much they crossed over. I simply didn’t realise that Superman could appear in a Batman book or the Fantastic Four could appear in a Spider-Man book. It really was quite the eye opener. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778/60 "2011-07-24T02:07:19Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Arguably because Marvel is rebooting _everything_ in a shared universe. Avengers is coming. We’ve had Thor and Iron Man, with Captain America coming soon. Fantastic Four has been announced (but not much beyond that). X-Men has gone back to the beginning. > > I’d say expect a lot of crossovers from now on. I’ll be amazed if there isn’t mention of SHIELD and/or a cameo from the other movies in ASM. The Shared Universe of the films is being done with the films produced by Marvel Studios. There are Marvel _characters_ the film rights for which had already been licensed out to other studios before Marvel put their shared universe grand scheme into action. The licensed out film rights for these other characters extend still quite a bit into the future. They will, therefore, not be involved in the Marvel Studios shared universe. There are other who know the details far better than I do, and I’m sure they’ll chime in. I don’t know how long the current contracts extend. I’m also not entirely positive to which characters this applies. In order of how certain I feel about the claim, these are the Marvel characters for which Marvel Studios does not currently hold the film rights. X-Men Spider-man Fantastic Four Any specifics that I’m wrong about will be corrected by a more knowledgeable poster. But Marvel Studios does _not_ have the film rights to all the Marvel Characters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer/589778.md?page=4)