# The ambushed cops: So, it's all Obama's fault now? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867 "2014-12-22T00:46:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/1 "2014-12-22T00:46:14Z")
So, the police are getting (or always have been) out of control, our grand juries won’t touch them, and with the ever-increasing publicity of their depredations (this being the Internet age and all), there are ever more and more protests and demonstrations. And the inevitable violent nut-cases who take things into their own hands. So it goes. So, nobody should even be protesting that shit? All the poor blacks (and others) who haven’t been killed by cops yet should just roll over and passively wait their turn? Protesters and politicians who do so much as acknowledge that we’ve got a problem here, are now at fault? > [@Cops ambushed and shot in Brooklyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/1): > > I hope its not related to the Brooklyn “I Can’t Breath” protests against cops. [Several cops have been punched and attacked in the last couple weeks.](http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/20/justice/new-york-protests-arrests/) Doesn’t help that their new mayor threw all the police under the bus. Hey, not just the mayor. Depending on who you believe, it goes _all the way to the top:_ [Killings of 2 New York officers trigger backlash](http://news.yahoo.com/killings-2-york-officers-trigger-backlash-201106309.html), AP (as re-published on Yahoo News), 12/21/2014: > [@](#): > > In the wake of the ambush, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani lashed out at New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder. Speaking on Fox News, Giuliani said: “We’ve had four months of propaganda starting with the president that everybody should hate the police.” > > “They have created an atmosphere of severe, strong, anti-police hatred in certain communities, and for that, they should be ashamed of themselves,” he said. > > In a tweet, former New York Gov. George Pataki called the killings the “predictable outcome of divisive, anti-cop rhetoric of Attorney General Eric Holder and Bill De Blasio.” Got it. All Obama’s fault. And Holder. And de Blasio. The most “predictable outcome” here is the jack-asses on Fox blaming it all on Obama. Fuck Giuliani and fuck Pataki for saying this kind of shit, and fuck Fox (as always) for being the platform for spewing this kind of horsecrap, not to mention our own in-house congenital cop apologists right here on SDMB. What is it going to take? Do we need to have our all-out war already, kill every cop, politician, and talking head now and start over with a clean house? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/2 "2014-12-22T01:02:14Z")
Would it make you feel any better if I said that I don’t hold Obama or anyone else responsible for the actions of an unstable lunatic who would probably have done this regardless of what any politician or pundit had to say? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/3 "2014-12-22T01:20:00Z")
Why would it? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/4 "2014-12-22T01:33:51Z")
Yeah, you’re insane, but that’s not your particular brand of insanity. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/5 "2014-12-22T01:51:51Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > What is it going to take? Dont break the law Dont resist arrest ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/6 "2014-12-22T02:01:21Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Dont break the law > > Dont resist arrest You do realize that probably 100% of people are breaking the law daily since there are so damn many, basically anyone can be arrested at any time should you be targeted. And why should people passively accept unfair harassment and arrest, when their whole life they have heard from all their family and friends stories of being unfairly arrested and targeted by police? I’m not defending any particular person or case, I’m saying it is easy to say that when you haven’t had the experience and heard from those around you of unfair police harassment. Or I guess this groundswell of anti-police sentiment came out of thin air? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/7 "2014-12-22T02:31:35Z")
[No, it’s DeBlasio’s fault.](http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/brooklyn-police-shooting-live-blog/?_r=0) > [@](#): > > A statement purporting to be from the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the biggest police union, blamed Mr. de Blasio for the shootings. > > “The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words, actions and policies,” read the statement, “and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.” War? Who is the enemy, Mr. Lynch? ---
**Author:** ![Flywheel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Flywheel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flywheel)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/8 "2014-12-22T02:36:48Z")
> [@the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association](#): > > The mayor’s hands are **literally** dripping with our blood I assure you they’re not. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/9 "2014-12-22T02:45:17Z")
> [@Flywheel](#): > > I assure you they’re not. Maybe they’re literally dripping with metaphoric blood. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/10 "2014-12-22T02:50:22Z")
Personally, I like that everything is Obama’s fault. The other day I spilled tea on the carpet. I blamed it on Obama and immediately felt better about it. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/11 "2014-12-22T03:38:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [No, it’s DeBlasio’s fault.](http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/brooklyn-police-shooting-live-blog/?_r=0) > > War? Who is the enemy, Mr. Lynch? Yikes. I read something about Lynch blaming it on De Blasio in strong terms, but I somehow hadn’t noticed _that_ particular quote. Is this guy channeling Wayne LaPierre or something? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/12 "2014-12-22T03:39:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [No, it’s DeBlasio’s fault.](http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/brooklyn-police-shooting-live-blog/?_r=0) > > > [@](#): > > > > A statement purporting to be from the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the biggest police union, blamed Mr. de Blasio for the shootings. > > > > “The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words, actions and policies,” read the statement, “and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.” > > War? Who is the enemy, Mr. Lynch? After a lifetime of hearing the PBA bitch and moan, many NYers realize than any and every measure taken to rein in, admonish, or hold the NYPD accountable will be excoriated by the PBA. Personally, I wouldn’t piss on Giuliani’s jackboots if he were on fire. His years in office helped build the foundation for today’s out-of-control aspects of the NYPD. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/13 "2014-12-22T04:15:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [No, it’s DeBlasio’s fault.](http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/brooklyn-police-shooting-live-blog/?_r=0) > > War? Who is the enemy, Mr. Lynch? Mobsters with badges. The whole union nearly got indicted in the ticket fixing scandal a few years ago. It’s a criminal enterprise, ironically. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/14 "2014-12-22T04:27:15Z")
They definitely deserve a lot of blame. Before Holder and Obama began their cynical manipulations it was difficult to find anti-police rhetoric anywhere, particularly on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/15 "2014-12-22T04:30:35Z")
I guess some folks don’t know the meaning of literally. I wish somebody would ask these assholes how the blood “literally” got on DeBlasio’s hands. Be interesting to hear their word games there. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/16 "2014-12-22T04:47:01Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Dont break the law > > Dont resist arrest > [@grude](#): > > You do realize that probably 100% of people are breaking the law daily since there are so damn many, basically anyone can be arrested at any time should you be targeted. And why should people passively accept unfair harassment and arrest, when their whole life they have heard from all their family and friends stories of being unfairly arrested and targeted by police? Indeed: > [@](#): > > Estimates of the current size of the body of federal criminal law vary. It has been reported that the Congressional Research Service cannot even count the current number of federal crimes. These laws are scattered in over 50 titles of the United States Code, encompassing roughly 27,000 pages. Worse yet, the statutory code sections often incorporate, by reference, the provisions and sanctions of administrative regulations promulgated by various regulatory agencies under congressional authorization. Estimates of how many such regulations exist are even less well settled, but the ABA thinks there are ”nearly 10,000.” > > SOURCE: [http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/you-break-the-law-every-day-without-even-knowing-it.html](http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/you-break-the-law-every-day-without-even-knowing-it.html) Or you could buy the book [Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent](http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382543575&sr=8-1&keywords=three+felonies+a+day) (no idea if it is any good). I had a friend who became a Chicago cop. We were having drinks one day (he was off duty) talking about stuff like this. He told me to never piss off a cop because they can pretty much always find something to charge you with no matter how righteous and upstanding a citizen you think you might be. It might be something petty but it’ll be enough at the least to ruin the rest of your day at a minimum. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/17 "2014-12-22T12:29:42Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Dont break the law > > Dont resist arrest The guy that the cops murdered for selling cigarettes was not violently resisting by any stretch of the imagination. He was merely protesting the arrest and certainly did not deserve his fate. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/18 "2014-12-22T12:44:16Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > What is it going to take? Do we need to have our all-out war already, kill every cop, politician, and talking head now and start over with a clean house? Not exactly. Just the punks who think that the police should have free rein and no consequences. If they can’t get it through their heads that cops are not angels with absolute authority over civilians, they can be overruled by more cautious game theorists who don’t want the blood of police on the streets all the time. Failing that imposition of restraint, yeah, “No justice, no peace,” is going to become very terrifyingly real in some localities. Maybe most police are halfway decent, I don’t know. What is unacceptable is that the few that are brutes are not held accountable by the power structure. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/19 "2014-12-22T12:51:03Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Yikes. I read something about Lynch blaming it on De Blasio in strong terms, but I somehow hadn’t noticed _that_ particular quote. Is this guy channeling Wayne LaPierre or something? You know, if I had a boss, and I spoke about my boss, in public, in those terms, he’d fire me on the spot. Why doesn’t De Blasio can his ass? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/20 "2014-12-22T13:34:58Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You know, if I had a boss, and I spoke about my boss, in public, in those terms, he’d fire me on the spot. Why doesn’t De Blasio can his ass? NYPD are not at-will employees, he’d have to write him up and take him to the discipline board. Even if he were legally empowered to do so, politically the mayor would not want to discipline too harshly a public-sector labor leader for being crass and odious against the employer. That’s often perceived as coming with the territory of a labor leader’s job. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867.md?page=2)