# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2044 "2021-01-07T17:15:38Z")
So, is Biden going to be 46 or 47? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2045 "2021-01-07T17:26:28Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The three people who died from medical emergencies were 2 men in their 50’s and one woman in her 30’s. Do we know what sort of medical emergencies they were? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2046 "2021-01-07T17:40:25Z")
Or 48 if Pence resigns and lets Pelosi take over the last couple weeks of this term. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2047 "2021-01-07T17:41:33Z")
Can trump preemptively pardon the insurectionists who were arrested even if they haven’t been charged or convicted yet? I think Carter gave a blanket pardon to draft evaders , so blanket pardons can be done and I assume the people arrested yesterday would be facing federal not state charges so it’s within the current occupant of the White Houses ability to pardon I am not equating the insurectionist with the people who evaded selective service , and I don’t need an answer fast ! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2048 "2021-01-07T17:42:03Z")
I want him removed (not resigned) if only so that he has the stain of children learning about him in school as the only president who had to be involuntarily removed from office. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2049 "2021-01-07T17:49:11Z")
To answer this question, Trump can pardon the insurrectionists even if they have not been charged. Under Supreme Court precedents, the acts for which the pardon is issued must be in the past but it is not necessary that the individual has already been charged or convicted. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2050 "2021-01-07T17:49:39Z")
[# Some among America’s military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1) ## ‘Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup’ ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2051 "2021-01-07T17:51:42Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Do we know what sort of medical emergencies they were? This is what I’m trying to figure out. 2 men in their 50s may be heart attacks, but a woman in her 30s? I read that at least one person was injured and taken to the hospital from falling off scaffolding, but it did not say if it was fatal. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2052 "2021-01-07T17:59:32Z")
Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2053 "2021-01-07T18:05:55Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > [# Some among America’s military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1) Thanks for that link. It’s confirmation from expert sources of what I think many of us already suspect from the bizarre scenes - that there must have been pro-Trump collusion from _senior_ law enforcement to enable this. The “riot that we never expected and got out of hand” cover story is bullshit. This was a planned, albeit disorganized and half-hearted, coup attempt. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2054 "2021-01-07T18:08:40Z")
Yes, I’m reckoning on heart related for the men. They were in the prime age for heart. The woman could also be heart, or with all the gas wafting around could even be asthma. With the way people were on scaffolding and stairs, can’t rule out trauma. They haven’t gone into what the medical emergencies were. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2055 "2021-01-07T18:10:23Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > “The courts” _did_ call to hear evidence - there was none presented. The Supreme Court declined to hear the cases **because the cases were without merit.** Why are you arguing with _me_? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2056 "2021-01-07T18:13:26Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I want him removed (not resigned) if only so that he has the stain of children learning about him in school as the only president who had to be involuntarily removed from office. Still no _like_ button on this thing. Since he’s unlikely to be thrown in prison – even by the states’ attorneys general – I’ll take it as a poor substitute. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2057 "2021-01-07T18:14:06Z")
This is strictly an uneducated guess but I wonder if they got hurt by something like falling out a window or suffocating trying to sneak through a tight space. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2058 "2021-01-07T18:19:21Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > ## ‘Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup’ Whom is this quoting? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2059 "2021-01-07T18:19:55Z")
> [@](#): > > This is strictly an uneducated guess but I wonder if they got hurt by something like falling out a window or suffocating trying to sneak through a tight space. Quite possibly. Even the most organized and disciplined groups suffer losses not directly attributed to conflict (read sometime how many American lives were lost in Vietnam from traffic accidents). And this was not a disciplined group in any sense of the imagination. So the odds of some type of bonehead accident is large. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2060 "2021-01-07T18:22:00Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > Whom is this quoting? An unidentified NATO intelligence official. It’s in the linked article. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2061 "2021-01-07T18:22:13Z")
Presumably one could suffocate if one lodges one’s head up one’s ass. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2062 "2021-01-07T18:22:48Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > Whom is this quoting? Seems to be an unidentified NATO official. If you didn’t click the link they had this bullet point: **Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the serious repercussions of Wednesday’s events: Even if they are mistaken, some among America’s international military allies are now willing to give credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and had help from some federal law-enforcement agents.** ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2063 "2021-01-07T18:23:08Z")
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