# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2364 "2021-01-09T03:30:27Z")
What a week it was. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2365 "2021-01-09T03:34:03Z")
Pay attention to what’s happening in the state legislatures – it’s some really serious shit that’s starting to happen, and it’s particularly frightening because that’s how you can assess how ‘organic’ and developed the movement is. Trump himself is an avatar for bat shittery; it’s important to realize that there are ideas behind the avatar and that the movement was already there. It’s just been looking for a flag and a flag holder. He also proved that what they’ve been fantasizing about doing to their liberal opponents for years, can be done. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2366 "2021-01-09T03:34:36Z")
This is lovely, if unsurprising: > **[Trump supporters defecated in Capitol and 'tracked' feces around offices: report](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-supporters-capitol/)** > > Congressional staffers were reportedly horrified to discover that supporters of President Donald Trump defecated on the floors of the Capitol building and then tracked their feces around with them into offices.Sources within Sen. Chuck Schumer's... ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2367 "2021-01-09T03:40:52Z")
Charge then with “shitting on democracy” , should be an addition to destruction of Federal property. Pop culteral reference of the day. It wasn’t enough that they “broke and entered”. Dumb fucks weren’t smart enough to avoid additional charges [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eq_MqgxuUPM/maxresdefault.jpg "Shawshank Redemption - Freeze, kid! Hands in the air") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_MqgxuUPM) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2368 "2021-01-09T04:01:07Z")
Can someone please parse this for my dummy reptile brain– [Mitch is saying that IF Tr\_mp is impeached in the house, the rules for the Senate are that the trial will not start until after Biden is President](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533461-mcconnell-circulates-procedures-for-second-senate-impeachment-trial-of-trump). Is he…won’t Kalama be the Senate Majority Vote after 12:01pm 1/20/2021? Is he ENSURING this? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2369 "2021-01-09T04:04:44Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > Is he…won’t Kalama be the Senate Majority Vote after 12:01pm 1/20/2021? Is he ENSURING this? She can only break ties. I don’t know how that works on a motion that requires a supermajority. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2370 "2021-01-09T04:06:02Z")
CNN has a headline up from NY Times: > Trump regrets committing to a peaceful transfer and condemning violence at the Capitol I don’t know where NYT got this, I see nothing on their site yet ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2371 "2021-01-09T04:06:50Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > Can someone please parse this for my dummy reptile brain– He’s saying the Senate isn’t scheduled to be in formal session again until the 19th and the pro forma sessions that are scheduled between now and then cannot conduct serious business without 100% consent from the Senate members. Since that will never happen, no matter how fast the House moves the Senate by rule won’t actually be able to take up the issue until the 20th. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2372 "2021-01-09T04:10:57Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I don’t know where NYT got this, I see nothing on their site yet Behind closed doors, he made clear that he would not resign and expressed regret about releasing a video on Thursday committing to a peaceful transition of power and condemning the violence at the Capitol that he had egged on a day before. From here: [Democrats Ready Impeachment Charge Against Trump for Inciting Capitol Mob](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/democrats-trump-impeachment.html) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2373 "2021-01-09T04:13:47Z")
That’s exactly what I thought he would say. Trump wanted to cause chaos because he knew it was his only way to stay away from prosecution. So then the shit hits the fan, his aides and his party realize he’s radioactive and back away from him, and then he realizes he has to backtrack, but he never meant a word of it. In the end, if you’re gonna coup, you can’t half-step; you gotta just go full-throttle. As I believe **Alessan** said a while ago, he didn’t really plan any of this shit out; he just kind gimmicked his way toward a coup. But he damn sure laid out the blueprint for future coup leaders. Of that we can be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2374 "2021-01-09T04:13:49Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Charge then with “shitting on democracy” , should be an addition to destruction of Federal property. > > Pop culteral reference of the day. It wasn’t enough that they “broke and entered”. Dumb fucks weren’t smart enough to avoid additional charges [![](https://i.imgflip.com/38hdph.jpg) ](https://i.imgflip.com/38hdph.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2375 "2021-01-09T04:16:37Z")
The newly-elected WV insurrectionist was arrested and arraigned today; check out what he wore to court: [![](https://i.ibb.co/nw9zqV7/Derrick-Evans-Rebel.png) ](https://i.ibb.co/nw9zqV7/Derrick-Evans-Rebel.png) At least there should be no doubt what team he’s playing for, eh. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2376 "2021-01-09T04:20:44Z")
I just went to Google to see if “dumbfuckery” is a word. It is. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2377 "2021-01-09T04:21:47Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > You have got to be kidding. They damn well should have parked some National Guard around. What you’re worried Trump might have said is exactly zero different from what he was already saying. Are you thinking that if the Guard was posted in view then something worse would have happened? No, I’m saying that if the National Guard was posted with force - Say a number of Bradleys and a few hundred men outside would have given Trump and all of his supporters to cry "FOUL ! This is proof that the electoral vote was stolen, because… " They will cling to any lame excuse they can. I’m also saying (if you read my post) that if a few hundred or maybe 50 additional LEO’s where inside the Capitol, once seeing an overwhelming show of force from inside (or when they forced their way in). It would have been over in a few minutes. There are crowd control measures besides tear gas (though that should have been used much more). I don’t blame anyone but Trump and his enablers and supporters. But I think that the Capitol could have been better prepared. Supporting/surrounding the building with military, would have given Trump a soap box to stand on. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2378 "2021-01-09T04:23:13Z")
There’s more where that came from…lots more. I’m tellin ya now: watch what’s happening in the state legislatures. It’s a cancer that is metastasizing. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2379 "2021-01-09T04:27:19Z")
I am sure they are trying to spread the cancer. But to what end? The state legislatures are going to reverse their certification of the votes? They can’t do that. Are they just going to stir around the bullshit? Let them. I am seriously asking, what are the legislatures going to do? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2380 "2021-01-09T04:32:32Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I feel very sorry for the front line LEO’s of all stripes. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t. What utter nonsense. Let me just flesh that out for you a little. **Damned if you do** violently assault peaceful protestors. **Damned if you don’t** make adequate plans to secure the seat of government from widely publicized plans for violent insurrection, failing to implement elementary security measures to prevent a riotous mob from invading the Capitol building and threatening the lives of our elected representatives. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2381 "2021-01-09T04:39:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And of course, the irony is that many of these people are the children and grandchildren of (granted, white) immigrants-- German, Polish, Irish-- who were at one time reviled by the _earlier_ immigrants who had already displaced the original natives. When someone pointed out to a young Trumper on FB who was raving about how terrible immigrants are that his ancestors were immigrants, his response was ‘No, my ancestors were pioneers’. There is no fact that these people can’t work around. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2382 "2021-01-09T04:48:44Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > **Damned if you do** violently assault peaceful protestors. > > **Damned if you don’t** make adequate plans to secure the seat of government from widely publicized plans for violent insurrection, failing to implement elementary security measures to prevent a riotous mob from invading the Capitol building and threatening the lives of our elected representatives. And what I have said. And perhaps misunderstood, is that they should have been better prepared for something that pretty much anyone could predict. I don’t believe parking National Guard around the Capitol would have, In the end and WEEKS to come, done anything but make the situation worse. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2383 "2021-01-09T04:55:12Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > **Damned if you don’t** make adequate plans to secure the seat of government from widely publicized plans for violent insurrection, failing to implement elementary security measures to prevent a riotous mob from invading the Capitol building and threatening the lives of our elected representatives. Let me _flesh this out_ for you. The LEOs, the actual people standing there on the Capitol steps who were overwhelmed by a mob, didn’t make didn’t make those plans, there were just people trying to doing their job. What the hell would you have done when you saw your forces were woefully inadequate to defend against a mob of thousands? Now I am not one of those who always talk about the “brave men and women who are out there risking their lives every day” bullshit and defend the police no matter what. Most police never have to draw their guns. In this case they had a choice. Except for one, none fired a shot The fault here is not with those front line officers. Well, unless they were paid to be passive, but I will not make that ASSumption until I have evidence of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=120)