# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2464 "2021-01-09T19:34:31Z")
Twitter gave Fox News a huge gift by banning Trump, now they have a talking point that can appease their base yet not actively foment decision. They’ve been talking about little else except free speech and censorship today. The insurrection is yesterday’s news. And apparently the RNC met yesterday, re-elected Ronna McDaniel (Trump made her stop using her middle name Romney) and reconfirmed their commitment to Donald Trump, who is being persecuted by the radical left socialist mob who insist on blaming him completely without evidence for his attempt to overthrow the government. > **[In Capital, a G.O.P. Crisis. At the R.N.C. Meeting, a Trump Celebration....](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-republican-national-committee.html)** > > Party members at a gathering of the Republican National Committee endorsed President Trump as the man to lead the party forward, ignoring the turmoil in Washington. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2465 "2021-01-09T19:41:43Z")
Turns out that pence did not speak with trump yesterday. He personally has not spoken to trump after the phone call on weds. telling trump he could not overturn the vote. Pence’s people have been in touch with trump’s people and pence’s aids have monitored the discussion on invoking the 25th. This is from reporting on msnbc. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2466 "2021-01-09T19:45:45Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Pence’s people have been in touch with trump’s people and pence’s aids have monitored the discussion on invoking the 25th. I’m sure Republicans are proud of what they’ve built! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2467 "2021-01-09T19:45:59Z")
Breaking news: Mexico asks if they can buy that wall now, please. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2468 "2021-01-09T19:49:28Z")
And Canada has asked for one too. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2469 "2021-01-09T19:55:52Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Pence’s people have been in touch with trump’s people and pence’s aids have monitored the discussion on invoking the 25th. There is video of the crowd at the Capitol chanting “hang Mike Pence”. Certainly his Secret Service detail has been made aware of that and I hope they have shown him that video so he understands. That crowd was at Pence’s location looking for him _so they could murder him_, publicly in front of a crowd of bloodthirsty onlookers who would have cheered as it happened. I know Pence is a bootlicking toady but actual danger to his person ought to be a powerful motivator, especially since Trump was responsible for sending that crowd over. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2470 "2021-01-09T19:56:49Z")
You know how everyone constantly loved to say Trump would not do something because it’s too stupid? And then he’d do it anyway? These are the people heanaged to con and trick. They are less intelligent than him. So saying that something doesn’t make sense for them to do is not a defense. And the LEO Trump supporters aren’t any smarter than those in the crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2471 "2021-01-09T19:57:12Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > There is video of the crowd at the Capitol chanting “hang Mike Pence”. Certainly his Secret Service detail has been made aware of that and I hope they have shown him that video so he understands. That crowd was at Pence’s location looking for him _so they could murder him_, publicly in front of a crowd of bloodthirsty onlookers who would have cheered as it happened. I know Pence is a bootlicking toady but actual danger to his person ought to be a powerful motivator, especially since Trump was responsible for sending that crowd over. Aye; and that’s what’s been making me really sick to my stomach is that these folks actually _did_ come within seconds and millimeters of doing just that. Imagine if there were now hundreds of cel phone videos of Mike Pence being hanged outside the Capitol by that mob. Now put Pelosi and Schumer up there as well. And Trump would have just said “this is awful; it sure is lucky for you all that I’m here to stay in charge!” ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2472 "2021-01-09T19:59:20Z")
Interesting catalog of different species of cockroaches: > **[Decoding the extremist symbols and groups at the Capitol Hill insurrection | CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-hill-insurrection-extremist-flags-soh/index.html)** > > Flags, signs and symbols of racist, white supremacist and extremist groups were displayed along with Trump 2020 banners and American flags at Wednesday's riot at the US Capitol. We spoke to an expert to identify the symbols and understand the... ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2473 "2021-01-09T20:08:50Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I know Pence is a bootlicking toady but actual danger to his person ought to be a powerful motivator, especially since Trump was responsible for sending that crowd over. - I understand he’s _very_ annoyed with Trump. Might even be disappointed. Still can’t bring himself to actually criticize Trump. That might be over-reacting. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2474 "2021-01-09T20:09:50Z")
I just posted this comment to Facebook. The more I find out about the insurrection the more craven Pence seems. Pence was so intent on ignoring the signals that he had bought his wife and daughter with him to the Senate session. As he cowered in his hiding place _ **with his family** _, the crowds were chanting “Where’s Mike Pence” and “Hang Mike Pence” (which was a hashtag trending on Twitter, BTW.) At 2:24 PM, at around the time the Senate Chamber was being breached, Trump tweeted about Pence’s lack of courage. Maybe he was right, because, after all that, Pence is still too scared or smitten or both (Stockholm Syndrome) to admit that Trump is dangerous and unfit for office. He needs to think about what would’ve happened if he hadn’t been so lucky. He needs to gird his mind and think about how close his family came to being tortured murdered and raped. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2475 "2021-01-09T20:12:21Z")
Umm, no. I mean, not trying to stop them is one thing, but opening the barricades and waving them on thru is another. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2476 "2021-01-09T20:16:42Z")
This is what I don’t get: Imagine a gang of people are trying to get at you and your family to kill you. Luckily the cops stop them before they can. When the police ask: “Would you like to press charges?”. And then your spouse says: “Nah, we good”. WTF are you thinking about your spouse right now? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2477 "2021-01-09T20:20:30Z")
Yes, that _is_ a gun in his holster. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2478 "2021-01-09T20:21:00Z")
FFS some of them were wearing shirts that said “MAGA Civil War - January 6, 2021”; can we please never again refer to this as a ‘riot’? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2479 "2021-01-09T20:21:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, that _is_ a gun in his holster. - And he’s looking for someone who’s unhappy to see him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2480 "2021-01-09T20:23:29Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > …plausible, justifiable reasons for the Capitol police to have assisted the insurrectionists even to the extent of removing barricades… There is a video of them opening a barricade and waving them thru. _Why did they do this?_ is the question. Can you explain? I dont think there was any great conspiracy, but yes, a few Capitol Police seemed to be sympathetic to the rioters. Maybe they thought they would just demonstrate? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2481 "2021-01-09T20:23:48Z")
The insurgents at the speaker’s balcony; that was just 3 feet away from congresspeople being evacuated. That is where the woman was shot. If they hadn’t shot, the woman and the large force behind her would have injured or worse 80 members of Congress. It was that close. Why pence isn’t signing the 25th is a just plain mystery to me. The republicans have had numerous ways of getting this man out of office and they just do not. It is simply unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2482 "2021-01-09T20:24:25Z")
That was a huge crowd. Where did they all park? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2483 "2021-01-09T20:26:29Z")
Plan A- kill/grab so many Dem congressmembers so they couldn’t vote Biden in. B- steal and burn the ballots, so that the House gets to vote state by state. And yes, your’s was Plan C I do believe. Mind you, no one orchestrated this to the extent of having three plans. One group (Proud boys and ilk) were going for plan A, etc etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=123) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=125)