# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 126
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2504 "2021-01-09T22:17:20Z")
OK - what is the plausible reason that justifies them rendering assistance to the rioters? ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2505 "2021-01-09T22:20:06Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Every week or so for the past year I have gone to 538 to see what Trump’s approval rating was, hoping it had gone down some so he would not be re-elected. Just went there, it was at 45% on election day. Now it has gone down. > > By 3 points. It’s the same as it was mid-October. Today, all polls conducted entirely after Jan 6th (except for the always-outlier Rasmussen) are showing him at 38-39%. This includes a high-quality (A+) Marist poll for Jan 7. It takes a week or so for the pre-Jan 6th polls to drop from the average. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2506 "2021-01-09T22:22:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I heard he was so upset that when he got home, he had a teaspoon of beer, put a hair out of place and went to bed without Mother to tuck him in. The fly tucked him in. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2507 "2021-01-09T22:22:47Z")
Mo Brooks is going down the rabbit shit hole. Despite all the arrests he’s still pushing the It’s Antifa! line. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2508 "2021-01-09T22:23:09Z")
Good question, we dont know, but we KNOW they _did_. We have now two videos which shows that clearly. My guess is that individual cops were sympathetic, or perhaps just afraid in the second video. Maybe the cops who opened the barricades though the rioters wouldnt get violent. Full investigations need to be carried out to find out why. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2509 "2021-01-09T22:29:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Full investigations need to be carried out to find out why. Yes. These officers are identifiable. Each and every one of them needs to be called in to internal affairs for an extensive interview. What did they see, what did they do. Why did they take the actions they took. What orders did they receive and from whom did they receive them. Then the whole thing needs to be put together to frame a comprehensive story of what happened. At the same time, an investigation needs to be conducted into the paper trail of orders. Who gave the orders to each level of law enforcement? Analyze the documentation. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2510 "2021-01-09T22:31:20Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Despite all the arrests he’s still pushing the It’s Antifa! line. Have these morons found one iota of proof that a single Antifa person was involved? Oh, silly me. They don’t need evidence of any kind. For this shitheads, allegations and lies are all they need. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2511 "2021-01-09T22:33:43Z")
Not Antifa, BLM… in whiteface. 🤪 They clearly dont know shit about Antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2512 "2021-01-09T22:37:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The police _did_ assist the rioters. It is there on film. BUT, the Trumpers are now saying, if you watch the clips, you can see discrepancies. Therefore, this was just a peaceful rally and the awful liberal media is deliberately trying to make it something worse. No, I’m not asking what the discrepancies are – I know from experience the answer will make me pound my head into a wall and I have a headache already today from these people. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2513 "2021-01-09T22:38:07Z")
A friend just posted this on Facebook [https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137509707\_1308321656208589\_4377398687928910527\_o.jpg?\_nc\_cat=106&ccb=2&\_nc\_sid=8bfeb9&\_nc\_ohc=bXJmXUrMS-AAX98\_Ofy&\_nc\_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=e93dcf5ca3f7e081730bc1d1558ecdf3&oe=601DDFEB](https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137509707_1308321656208589_4377398687928910527_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=bXJmXUrMS-AAX98_Ofy&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=e93dcf5ca3f7e081730bc1d1558ecdf3&oe=601DDFEB) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2514 "2021-01-09T22:38:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Have these morons found one iota of proof that a single Antifa person was involved? They don’t actually _believe_ what they say, they’re the prominent Republicans who speak to the rank and file, tell em what to think, provide the talking points. They just point the finger away from themselves, no evidence required. Same thing with the election. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2515 "2021-01-09T22:43:58Z")
Here’s what Brooks is pushing. It does sound like a BLM protester was there filming. Dunno how involved he was or if he is claiming to be Antifa; > **[Utah Man with a History of Organizing Violent Antifa, BLM Protests, Was...](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/01/07/utah-man-with-a-history-of-organizing-blm-protests-was-inside-the-capitol-n2582766?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true)** ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2516 "2021-01-09T22:45:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Disturbing. > > Watch as the three cops get out of the way and let the traitors break in. > [@Crane](#): > > OK - what is the plausible reason that justifies them rendering assistance to the rioters? A few seconds later, from the right, you see a group of reinforcements come in with rifles, and the defenders of the door knew they were coming in. Perhaps they were following the standard tactic of making sure they weren’t on the wrong side of the rifles. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2517 "2021-01-09T22:46:50Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > A friend just posted this on Facebook Good. Fucking. Grief. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2518 "2021-01-09T22:47:06Z")
I don’t know if anyone read my last post upthread, but I heard somewhere-(sorry, I would usually cite something like this but I’ve processed LOTS of reporting in the past 3 days and I can’t remember where I heard this) But I heard that they had let the protesters in to use the bathroom, which is consistent with them just letting their guard down because their biases blinded them to the risk, and it seems plausible. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2519 "2021-01-09T22:48:58Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > But I heard that they had let the protesters in to use the bathroom, which is consistent with them just letting their guard down because their biases blinded them to the risk, and it seems plausible. But they shit on the floor anyway? > **[Rioters left feces, urine in hallways and offices during mobbing of US Capitol](https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/rioters-left-feces-urine-in-hallways-and-offices-during-mobbing-of-us-capitol/)** > > They turned the US Capitol into a craphouse. Some invading rioters defiled the hallowed seat of democracy with their dung in their ill-fated effort to overturn the election, a source close to incom… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2520 "2021-01-09T22:49:40Z")
No, never claimed to be Antifa, but one demonstration he was at- also had Antifa, so obviously… Same with BLM. His story he was there to document the protest seems born out by his large camera. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2521 "2021-01-09T22:50:49Z")
Does s/he really believe that? How often do people like this believe things only to be disappointed? Seems like it happens every day for the last month. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2522 "2021-01-09T22:50:50Z")
Yes, _those guys_ may have gotten out of the way to protect themselves, sure, like I said. But that doesnt explain the guys who moved the barricade and waved the rioters in. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2523 "2021-01-09T22:52:25Z")
I got your point. But I think it was a rather textbook false equivalency. Even if any of us witnessed PH in realtime (having at least as much familiarity with how that played out as with last week’s fête), they’re kinda’, sorta’, more or less entirely different kinds of events. You could have just as easily made a ‘9/11 \<–\> FAA’ comparison. In a purely academic/thought experiment sense, I get your point … FWIW 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=125) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=127)