# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 127
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2524 "2021-01-09T23:08:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Viscous attack? I’ll admit the attackers were slimy but they looked pretty mobile. Maybe they forgot to bring the tomato paste. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2525 "2021-01-09T23:12:59Z")
I figure now is as good a time as any to say it: **JohnT** was right in making this thread and using this thread title. We did, in fact, experience an attempted coup. Fortunately for us, it was never really organized and Trump didn’t know what he was doing, but what else can you call what we’ve seen the last few weeks, other than attempted coup? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2526 "2021-01-09T23:16:21Z")
> [@squidfood](#): > > Today, all polls conducted entirely after Jan 6th (except for the always-outlier Rasmussen) are showing him at 38-39%. This includes a high-quality (A+) Marist poll for Jan 7. It takes a week or so for the pre-Jan 6th polls to drop from the average. IOW, even these latest ones likely have some pre-6th inertia in them. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2527 "2021-01-09T23:21:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > what else can you call what we’ve seen the last few weeks, other than attempted coup? I don’t recall anybody contributing this, so … > Definition of _coup d’état:_ a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics > _especially:_ the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group … like a glove. > **[Definition of COUP D'ÉTAT](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup%20d%27%C3%A9tat)** > > a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group… See the full definition ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2528 "2021-01-09T23:29:12Z")
Never mind; ninja’d way back. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2529 "2021-01-09T23:32:03Z")
There would have been HUNDREDS of cel phone videos of Mike Pence’s hanging death with a soundtrack of bloodthirsty cheers. Pelosi, Schumer, etc. This was _so_ close to being catastrophic… AND SOMEHOW THAT FUCKING MADMAN IS STILL POTUS FOUR FUCKING DAYS LATER! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2530 "2021-01-09T23:41:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Deeg](#): > > > > Despite all the arrests he’s still pushing the It’s Antifa! line. > > Have these morons found one iota of proof that a single Antifa person was involved? I’ve seen a number of tweets comparing photos of Horn Boy in the Capitol with him at BLM protests and screeching that “THIS! This PROVES it was Antifa!” Totally ignoring or ignorant of the fact he’s a down-the-rabbit-hole QAnoner. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2531 "2021-01-09T23:44:18Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Here’s what Brooks is pushing. It does sound like a BLM protester was there filming. Dunno how involved he was or if he is claiming to be Antifa; By that logic, every single reporter and cameraman from a news organzation who filmed the riot and attempt to subvert democracy is also “Antifa” “I am Antifa!” “I am Antifa!” “I’m Antifa, and so’s my wife!” ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2532 "2021-01-10T00:05:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > There would have been HUNDREDS of cel phone videos of Mike Pence’s hanging death with a soundtrack of bloodthirsty cheers. > > Pelosi, Schumer, etc. > > This was _so_ close to being catastrophic… > > AND SOMEHOW THAT FUCKING MADMAN IS STILL POTUS FOUR FUCKING DAYS LATER! In the “7 Jan 2021” I posted the following: "What astonishes me is that, “moderates” or not, the events of the 6th and all of the associated posturing prior to should be seen as _self-evidently_ bad to any normal person. And IMHO that should include whatever it takes to remove Trump from office ASAP, as also self-evident. The fact that it doesn’t to some people says a lot about their views of civilized society." ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2533 "2021-01-10T00:12:55Z")
Why are those being charged, who broke in by force and defaced your capital by literally shitting on it, only being charged with unlawful entry? If it was an attempted coup, and it def was, why aren’t they being charged under those statutes? Seems to me, nothing demonstrates privilege more, or encourages the next bunch, like giving these people only a slap on the wrist. These folks will be paying fines and then bragging about it on social media like it’s a badge of honour, I predict! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2534 "2021-01-10T00:18:11Z")
This is where the woman was shot. They were evacuating the members of Congress 3 ish feet away. I believe that the policemen who were trying to keep them from the doors heard that reinforcements were on the other side of the door and got out of the way of their shots. As a woman was shot and killed moments later by the reinforcements on the other side of the door, I believe it was a prudent move. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2535 "2021-01-10T00:21:26Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > These folks will be paying fines and then bragging about it on social media like it’s a badge of honour, I predict! Even without a charge of treason, we do have Trump’s own Executive Order: > **It is the policy of the United States to prosecute to the fullest extent permitted under Federal law** , and as appropriate, any person or any entity that destroys, damages, vandalizes, or desecrates a monument, memorial, or statue within the United States **or otherwise vandalizes government property**. The desire of the Congress to protect Federal property is clearly reflected in section 1361 of title 18, United States Code, which authorizes **a penalty of up to 10 years’ imprisonment for the willful injury of Federal property.** [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-american-monuments-memorials-statues-combating-recent-criminal-violence/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-american-monuments-memorials-statues-combating-recent-criminal-violence/) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2536 "2021-01-10T00:22:00Z")
They will charge them on some offenses to hold them in jail, then later add other charges as warranted. The simple, easy charges gives them custody of them, they can question them and findother charges. Also after questioning them, be able to charge other people. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2537 "2021-01-10T00:57:21Z")
What @rocking_chair says. Also, there’s a ton of photo and video evidence from news reporters and social media plus info from tipsters and other defendants trying to cut a deal to work through, catalogue, link to individuals, and assemble into a case for taking to the grand jury to obtain superseding indictments with more severe charges. Lots and lots of work ahead for the Justice Department. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2538 "2021-01-10T01:04:29Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I was responding to a poster who proposed there may have been plausible reasons for the police assisting the rioters. Anyone who believes that might also consider some conspiracy theory about ATC during the Japanese raid to be plausible. Hpw do you respond to the allegations that off-duty police and military flashed their badges while they were participating in the riot? > **[Off-duty police officers among rioters, one Capitol officer says](https://news.yahoo.com/off-duty-police-officers-among-201522125.html)** > > This week, a Washington D.C police officer has come forward to make some stunning allegations about off-duty police officers and even some members of the military being among the rioters who took part in Wednesday’s siege. According to Politico, the... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2539 "2021-01-10T01:05:28Z")
You can also see that when the tactical officers show up, one of them stands against the wall by the stairs(?) and is communicating by gesture and facial expressions with someone on the other side of the barricaded doors. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2540 "2021-01-10T01:07:59Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > OK - what is the plausible reason that justifies them rendering assistance to the rioters? That they sympathised with the rioters? That seems a pretty easy assumption from the videos and relaxed attitudes by the police. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2541 "2021-01-10T01:08:14Z")
from the link: > [@](#): > > Thursday, Contee said in a press conference that there was “no intelligence that suggested there would be a breach of the U.S. Capitol.” Are you fucking kidding me? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2542 "2021-01-10T01:15:26Z")
Or, to sum up Trump and his supporters: There was no intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2543 "2021-01-10T01:24:59Z")
According to cnn, pence has not ruled out the 25th. The quote is that: pence not ruling out 25th amendment; wants to preserve it in case trump becomes more unstable. Good grief, more unstable. I’m sure if you put him in hospital for observation, you would find quite a few doctors who would say he is delusional and unstable. He already said he regrets his “ hostage video”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=126) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=128)