# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2604 "2021-01-10T19:20:21Z")
It is. Very powerful. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2605 "2021-01-10T19:22:25Z")
> **[Democrats promise quick move to impeachment if 25th Amendment push fails |...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/james-clyburn-impeachment-senate-trial-biden-cnntv/index.html)** > > House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said for the first time Sunday the House will move to impeach President Donald Trump if Vice President Mike Pence does not remove him. This is interesting. If McConnell won’t countenance impeachment before Jan 20th anyway, maybe this is a smart move. Whether or not the Senate votes are ultimately there to impeach, with the Democrats controlling the Senate there could be a more extensive and pardon-proof trial, with time to gather evidence and expose _everything_ illegal that Trump and his family and enablers have done. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2606 "2021-01-10T19:24:28Z")
I like that. Takes McConnel’s interference right out of the picture, and lets Biden focus on some well needed virus mitigation. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2607 "2021-01-10T19:28:04Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Whether or not the Senate votes are ultimately there to impeach, with the Democrats controlling the Senate there could be a more extensive and pardon-proof trial, with time to gather evidence and expose _everything_ illegal that Trump and his family and enablers have done. Interesting idea. The product of that investigation could produce a ginormous document on the order of the Warren Commission Report. Describe in detail every illegal, questionable, criminal, felonious act that trump has committed as president. There’s plenty of documentation. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2608 "2021-01-10T19:28:58Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Are we still in 2020 using paper ballots in a brown suitcase to finalize the election of a President? Were they brought to the Capitol by the Pony Express? I was actually thinking how classy it looked. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2609 "2021-01-10T19:29:54Z")
Is there any Constitutional uncertainty here? Even if the Court holds that the president can self-pardon, it’s clear that does not protect him from impeachment. But I recall that there is some uncertainly over impeachment after he leaves office? Is it true that this would be a trial that he could not protect himself against through self-pardon? ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2610 "2021-01-10T19:31:53Z")
I think those are two different guys. The one climbing around in the gallery wore all black/dark gray with a black hat but no helmet. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > But I think we need more people on our side. I think the best way to do that is to get ahold of the COVID pandemic. Get everyone vaccinated ASAP; and to stimulate the economy through $2,000 payments (in addition to the $600). Then go to work getting some semblance of universal health care, which would put more money into people’s pockets. Hear, hear. Goddammit. I know these policies won’t win over everyone and would take time to implement and for any resultant improvement in Americans’ lives to manifest. By then the electorate will vote in Republicans to negate everything if the Supreme Court hasn’t already struck it down. If people could just be patient maybe we could get a little improvement or at least try. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2611 "2021-01-10T19:37:04Z")
> [@RyanAdam](#): > > I think Arnold’s video comment evoking Kristellnacht [is worth viewing.](https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240?s=20).? Pity he’s not eligible to be President, he represents what a solid Republican party can be, before the neo Confederate traitors took over from within. It’s interesting to me. He’s literally the last Republican I have ever voted for and I have voted for relatively few. But while I thought the recall of Gray Davis in 2003 was bullshit and voted against him, I was impressed how after that first victory that he seemed to be trying to be bi-partisan. It didn’t hurt that he was from that milieu of moderate pro-business but more or less socially liberal CA Republicans. So I voted for him in 2006 over Angelides - I figured he had earned some benefit of the doubt and I was trying to be a bit less partisan. I had some mild cause to regret that later. I was rather less impressed with his second, full term. Still Schwarzenegger is the kind of Republican I have no existential issues with. I don’t agree with them overall, but they are at least coming from a place of reasoned thought rather than incurious tribalism or bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2612 "2021-01-10T19:39:56Z")
ew, no. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2613 "2021-01-10T19:40:45Z")
> [@RyanAdam](#): > > Pity he’s not eligible to be President, - There’s always a [Constitutional Amendment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPBrt-mdNmQ) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2614 "2021-01-10T19:41:14Z")
A Republican Attorneys General group was sending out robocalls encouraging the traitors. > **[Republican AGs group sent robocalls urging march to the Capitol](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-ags-group-sent-robocalls-urging-march-capitol-n1253581)** > > “At 1 p.m., we will march to the Capitol building and call on Congress to stop the steal,” said the voice on the recording, which was obtained by NBC News. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2615 "2021-01-10T19:42:56Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Charging seditionists with illegal entry is a terrible look, it’s weak and doesn’t align with their stated outrage. It’s a good start. It gets them in custody while the various DAs sift through evidence to see if something more important sticks, kind of like arresting someone for obstruction of justice while you check to see if you can pin a murder rap on him. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2616 "2021-01-10T20:10:48Z")
This might get the attention of some of the Republicans supporting this crap: > **[Marriott, BlueCross suspend donations to U.S. lawmakers who voted against...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-corporate/marriott-will-suspend-donations-to-u-s-lawmakers-who-voted-against-biden-certification-idUSKBN29F0L4?il=0)** > > Marriott International Inc, the world's largest hotel company, and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association (BCBSA) said Sunday they will suspend donations to U.S. lawmakers who voted last week against certifying President-elect Joe Biden's victory. Perhaps it will catch on. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2617 "2021-01-10T20:13:26Z")
I hope they don’t stop there. Don’t let them hold fundraisers on their properties or even let them book a room. Airlines should follow suit. Let Cruz hitchhike back to Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2618 "2021-01-10T20:14:20Z")
I agree. The article indicates that Blue Cross is following suit. That’ll leave a mark. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2619 "2021-01-10T20:19:40Z")
I believe the time for caution passed with Reagan. The Republican goal is single party, absolute rule. It’s the end game of the Reagan revolution. An oligarchy fronted by a moron. It’s time to take action. I believe Stacey Abrams and others who are striving to broaden the voting base are doing the right thing. I believe a no drama Biden administration will restore governance. I believe Merrick Garland will begin the purge of the militias. The question is what should the rest of us do to restore America? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2620 "2021-01-10T20:25:35Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I believe Merrick Garland will begin the purge of the militias That has the stink of Janet Reno to it. More Ruby Ridges or Wacos aren’t going to help the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2621 "2021-01-10T20:28:22Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > This might get the attention of some of the Republicans supporting this crap: > > [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-corporate/marriott-will-suspend-donations-to-u-s-lawmakers-who-voted-against-biden-certification-idUSKBN29F0L4?il=0](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-corporate/marriott-will-suspend-donations-to-u-s-lawmakers-who-voted-against-biden-certification-idUSKBN29F0L4?il=0) > > Perhaps it will catch on. I know that the letter from Forbes content editor, Randall Lane, has appeared here before but lemme save everyone the trouble of finding it: > **[A Truth Reckoning: Why We’re Holding Those Who Lied For Trump Accountable](https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2021/01/07/a-truth-reckoning-why-were-holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/?sh=55ace6545710)** > > As American democracy rebounds, we need to return to a standard of truth when it comes to how the government communicates with the governed. It seems that yes, this effort make all those involved pariahs is already starting to bear fruit: > **[Amazon, Intel Join Other Major Companies Suspending Donations To Republicans...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/12/amazon-intel-join-other-major-companies-suspending-donations-to-republicans-involved-in-biden-certification-challenge/)** > > An onslaught of major companies and banks have vowed to either review or suspend political contributions. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2622 "2021-01-10T20:28:25Z")
Twitter, reddit and internet in general are all over the guy they believe to be “zip tie guy”. Thay’ve screenshot and google drived lots of his social media to be preserved, and he’s got memes! [[Album] When you commit sedition but need mommy to pick you up. ![](https://i.imgur.com/JC37gix.jpeg?fb "When you commit sedition but need mommy to pick you up.") ](https://imgur.com/gallery/IsKvBIT) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2623 "2021-01-10T20:36:36Z")
I was addressing the topic of what Capitol Police knew and when they knew it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=132)