# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 133
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2644 "2021-01-10T21:53:15Z")
Now this is what I’m talking about! > Hit them where it hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2645 "2021-01-10T22:02:19Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Hit them where it hurts. They do keep telling us that the government shouldn’t try to fix things that are fucked up by passing laws and stuff, because market forces will take care of it. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2646 "2021-01-10T22:03:09Z")
If MANTAN cuts him off, I’ll meet you over in the Trump Suicide thread. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2647 "2021-01-10T22:13:06Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > You do know that “dems” don’t get to charge anyone with anything, right? That would be up to, you know, the police and district attorneys, not Nancy Pelosi. For the run of the mill seditionists, yes, but the House has the right to impeach and the Senate to try Federal officers in both the judicial\* and executive branches and further, both houses have the right to expel members they deem unfit. \*In fact, a number of judges are the only ones who have been both impeached and convicted. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2648 "2021-01-10T22:19:26Z")
We’re fortunate that these are mostly amateurs; this won’t be the last time such an event happens. The next time, we will be dealing with professionals. They probably won’t storm anything, either - won’t need to. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2649 "2021-01-10T22:22:52Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > If MANTAN cuts him off, I’ll meet you over in the Trump Suicide thread. I do think some enterprising journalist should ask Frito-Lay for their position on Trump, and perhaps conduct a poll of some gibbons. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2650 "2021-01-10T22:36:55Z")
> **[US diplomats in extraordinary protest against Trump for riot](https://apnews.com/us-diplomats-in-extraordinary-protest-against-trump-for-riot-67d0d9312c638a465d7682d08982161a)** > > In a highly unusual move, American diplomats have drafted two cables condemning President Donald Trump’s incitement of the deadly assault on the Capitol and calling for administration officials to support invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump... > [@](#): > > Using what is known as the State Department’s “dissent channel,” career foreign and civil service officers said they fear last Wednesday’s siege may badly undermine U.S. credibility to promote and defend democratic values abroad. > > “Failing to publicly hold the president to account would further damage our democracy and our ability to effectively accomplish our foreign policy goals abroad,” according to the second of the two cables, which were circulated among diplomats late last week and then sent to State Department leadership. > > The cable called on Pompeo to support any lawful effort by Vice President Mike Pence and other Cabinet members to protect the country including through “the possible implementation of the procedures provided for in Article 4 of the 25th Amendment, if appropriate.” ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2651 "2021-01-10T22:55:02Z")
Both identified, both arrested. > **[The F.B.I. arrests two men who had carried plastic restraints into the...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-zip-ties-arrest.html)** ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2652 "2021-01-10T23:04:57Z")
> [@ctnguy](#): > > Both identified, both arrested. - > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-zip-ties-arrest.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-zip-ties-arrest.html) That ties up a couple of loose ends. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2653 "2021-01-10T23:10:32Z")
Mr Giuliani for the defense: “Yes, your honor, my client was among the crowd who entered the Capitol building, dressed in body armor and carry a taser and zip ties. But does it count for nothing that he was loudly advocating restraint?” ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2654 "2021-01-10T23:18:26Z")
> [@ctnguy](#): > > Both identified, both arrested. Excellent news, thanks for the update. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2655 "2021-01-10T23:20:19Z")
Bathe in the bitter terrorist tears. [https://mobile.twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1348399358161649666](https://mobile.twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1348399358161649666) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2656 "2021-01-10T23:21:00Z")
A good argument in favor of impeachment: > **[Opinion | Impeach and Convict Trump. Congress Must Defend Itself. (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/opinion/trump-impeachment-congress.html)** > > Trump’s incitement of a riot is a violation of the separation of powers that threatens the foundation of the Republic. > … > The key issue is this: One of the three branches of the federal government has just incited an armed attack against another branch. Beyond the threat to a peaceful transition, the incident was a fundamental violation of the separation of powers. Prompted by the chief executive, supporters laid siege to, invaded, and occupied the Capitol building, deploying weapons and subjecting members of both chambers of Congress to intimidation and violence in an effort to produce a particular decision by force. > > We have all been taught about “checks and balances” in school. The Constitutional strategy for limiting power requires that officeholders defend the institutions they occupy against what the framers called “encroachments” by the other branches. Usually encroachments are understood metaphorically, and there is time to allow the branches to work out their differences in the back and forth of political negotiation and occasional court battles. The president’s attempted encroachment on the constitutional rights of Congress this past Wednesday was anything but metaphorical. > … My bold. That’s the long and short of it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2657 "2021-01-10T23:22:24Z")
Fvck yes!!! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2658 "2021-01-10T23:23:54Z")
It would also put the sympathizers on the record. The whole crock about “divisions”…pffff! They have been the ones responsible for dividing the country. What needs to be known is, which ones in congress want to unite the country again. Impeachment would helps us see where we stand. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2659 "2021-01-10T23:36:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Bathe in the bitter terrorist tears. One of the comments in the Twitter link says Clarence Thomas should step down as Justice because of his wife’s involvement with the insurrectionists. I’ve not heard anything about that; what’s the scoop? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2660 "2021-01-10T23:45:18Z")
> **[Clarence Thomas’ wife supported rioters before siege: ‘Love MAGA’](https://news.yahoo.com/clarence-thomas-wife-supported-rioters-231103492.html)** > > ‘God bless each of you,’ Ginni Thomas wrote in a Facebook post to support the attempted takeover of the Capitol. Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, shared support for the rioters who stormed the Capitol on... ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2661 "2021-01-10T23:52:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > My apologies if this clip has been posted before; it shows how the mob assaulted police, and appeared to show a clip of an officer being dragged and beaten on the steps of the Capitol. Another officer, wearing a gas mask, was surrounded - protected by some in the mob from others who wanted a piece of him. Just sickening shit. > > [https://www.instagram.com/p/CJxPQcXgq6H/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CJxPQcXgq6H/) Anyone who claims that a crowd of black folks engaged in such behavior would have not been treated differently can lick my ass crack. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2662 "2021-01-10T23:59:02Z")
A Capitol police officer has committed suicide. His father was a former Senate Sergeant at arms. No reason has been given. The White House has finally lowered its flag, but Individual 1 has yet to call the first dead cop’s family. Biden has. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2663 "2021-01-10T23:59:42Z")
They name him in the Twitter thread Snowboarder Bo linked to. Apparently has been taken into custody. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=132) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=134)