# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2864 "2021-01-12T05:20:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > An active duty Army officer, who had already received an article of reprimand for her actions at an earlier demonstration, has resigned after the Army began looking into her actions at the treasonous storming of the Capitol. From what I read, she had already submitted her resignation before the 7th. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2865 "2021-01-12T05:21:08Z")
I so very much concur. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2866 "2021-01-12T05:23:12Z")
Thank you; I appreciate the support. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2867 "2021-01-12T05:26:00Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Doesn’t the right to bear arms include the right to carry in a peaceful fashion, Only in some states. Open carry is only legal in about half the states. ymmv. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2868 "2021-01-12T05:28:59Z")
Thanks for the explanation. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2869 "2021-01-12T05:49:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’d like everyone to meet Elizabeth from Knoxville, TN You can’t satirize these people. 🤣 _The Onion_ just got out-onioned. 🧅 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2870 "2021-01-12T06:50:04Z")
[https://arcdigital.media/qanon-woke-up-the-real-deep-state-72bbfcb79488](https://arcdigital.media/qanon-woke-up-the-real-deep-state-72bbfcb79488) _To the QAnon community, and others involved in storming the Capitol:_ _The Deep State is real, but it’s not what you think. The Deep State you worry about is mostly made up; a fiction, a lie, a product of active imaginations, grifter manipulations, and the internet. I’m telling you this now because storming the Capitol building has drawn the attention of the real Deep State — the national security bureaucracy — and it’s important you understand what that means._ _You attacked America. Maybe you think it was justified — as a response to a stolen election, or a cabal of child-trafficking pedophiles, or whatever — but it was still a violent attack on the United States. No matter how you describe it, that’s how the real Deep State is going to treat it._ _The impact of that will make everything else feel like a LARP…You cheered on lawyers who said they’d release the Kraken. But now you’ve poked Leviathan._ ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2871 "2021-01-12T07:04:06Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > This is interesting. If McConnell won’t countenance impeachment before Jan 20th anyway, maybe this is a smart move. Whether or not the Senate votes are ultimately there to impeach, with the Democrats controlling the Senate there could be a more extensive and pardon-proof trial, with time to gather evidence and expose _everything_ illegal that Trump and his family and enablers have done What material may be considered in an impeachment trial in the Senate? Can they go on an open-ended investigation of everything they can find? Or are they constrained to trying just the accusations made in the Articles of Impeachment by the House? AIUI, the Article(s) drawn up by the House is narrowly focused, covering only Trump’s Insurrection of January 6, and perhaps touching on his call to the GA Secretary of State, and maybe other post-election fraud-mongering. In the Senate trial, will they be limited to trying only that? ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2872 "2021-01-12T07:08:13Z")
The ancient Greeks knew all about people like Trump and his enablers. Plato, _Laws_ 856b-c: > Next, after cases which concern religion, come those which concern the dissolution of the state. > > Whoever enslaves the laws by making them subject to men, and makes the state subject to a political faction, and acts illegally in doing all this by violence and in stirring up civil strife - such a man must be regarded as the worst of all enemies to the whole state. > > And the man who has a share in the chief offices of state, and though he takes part in none of these doings, yet fails to observe them, or else, though he observes them, fails to defend his country and punish them, owing to his cowardice — a citizen of such a kind must be counted second in degree of criminality. > > Every ordinary citizen shall inform the magistrates and prosecute the plotter on a charge of violent and illegal revolution. There shall be the same judges as in the case of temple robbers, and the whole trial shall be conducted just as it was in their case, and the death penalty shall be imposed by a majority of votes. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2873 "2021-01-12T12:03:07Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > What material may be considered in an impeachment trial in the Senate? Can they go on an open-ended investigation of everything they can find? Or are they constrained to trying just the accusations made in the Articles of Impeachment by the House? > > AIUI, the Article(s) drawn up by the House is narrowly focused, covering only Trump’s Insurrection of January 6, and perhaps touching on his call to the GA Secretary of State, and maybe other post-election fraud-mongering. In the Senate trial, will they be limited to trying only that? No reason they can’t amend the existing count, or introduce new Articles detailing different offenses. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2874 "2021-01-12T12:32:57Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’ve noticed that Trumpists on Facebook are all of a sudden saying “Can’t we all just get along!” after having been total assholes for the past four years. So this. Sickening. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2875 "2021-01-12T13:10:59Z")
Here’s some news: > **[Twitter blocks 70,000 QAnon accounts after US Capitol riot](https://apnews.com/article/technology-media-social-media-171a5c9062be1c293169d764d3d0d9c8)** > > LONDON (AP) — Twitter says it has suspended more than 70,000 accounts associated with the far right QAnon conspiracy theory following last week's U... ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2876 "2021-01-12T13:11:16Z")
Well, bully for you! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2877 "2021-01-12T13:19:46Z")
**John** , my post was not an attack on you; it was a criticism of poor citing practices. I made it because IMO there are many reasons why linking to the source material is better than linking to a 3rd party summary. It doesn’t take long to click thru to that instead of posting the Twitter link. Posting the Twitter link strikes me as slightly disrespectful: it forces the folks trying to look at your cite into doing the small amount of work needed to vet the 3rd party summary. Apologies to all for the hijack. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2878 "2021-01-12T13:36:03Z")
Stop jr modding me and my thread, SB. Holy hell, you had to click _twice_. ZOMG, the horror. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2879 "2021-01-12T14:21:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Stop jr modding me and my thread It wasn’t Jr modding. It was a very polite request to make things easier for people who are interested in the information you’re posting. Several other people agreed with that request, and so do I. If you don’t want to make things easier for people, then fine, but there’s no need to get angry about it. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2880 "2021-01-12T15:06:39Z")
And sometimes the person who made the tweet misrepresents the original article. So you can post a link to twitter that says “OMG! Collins is an idiot; thinks the Iranians attacked the Capitol!” And there’s a link contained in it that sends you to a Times article that really just says that that was her first reaction, before she learned it was protestors. eta: So no, it’s not about laziness. It’s debating more honestly (journalistic integrity, if you will). ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2881 "2021-01-12T15:33:48Z")
I wish they would have started right off calling it a “putsch”, except few would know the ref. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2882 "2021-01-12T15:45:56Z")
> **[Deutsche Bank joins companies cutting ties with Donald Trump](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump)** > > Bank had propped up Trump Organization for years despite being sued by president but acted after Capitol attack This is potentially serious for Trump. He owes Deutsche Bank $340 million. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2883 "2021-01-12T15:50:26Z")
For that matter, I wish reporters and historians from English speaking countries had called the original event the Beer Hall Coup. I can’t be the only young student of History to have been uncertain about what a putsch is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=143) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=145)