# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2884 "2021-01-12T16:00:29Z")
It seems like even the Secret Service has been infected. This is from [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/secret-service-officer-investigation-washington-post/index.html), with links to the original story in The Washington Post. > In one image, the newspaper reported Monday night, the secret service officer posted a meme on Facebook titled “Here’s to the Peaceful Transition of Power” with President Donald Trump shaking hands with himself in the Oval Office. A day after the siege on the US Capitol, a comment was posted using the officer’s name that criticized attempts to remove Trump from office and accused lawmakers who accepted the electoral college vote of “committing treason on live tv.” > > “Good morning patriots! Yesterday started out beautiful and as usual Antifa soured the mood and attacked police and an Air Force veteran was murdered…It’s OFFENSE time finally!!,” the comment read, according to the newspaper. > > The USSS declined to comment about the matter to CNN, but when asked about the investigation a spokesperson for the Secret Service said the agency “carries out its law enforcement mission in an objective and apolitical manner.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2885 "2021-01-12T16:28:25Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > This is potentially serious for Trump. He owes Deutsche Bank $340 million. I read a Forbes article a while back about how much money Trump owes. It detailed exactly when hundreds of millions in loans would be called over the next 4 years. I recall that they were not pointing out that it would be impossible for Trump to cover the loans… but… I am now wondering: If Deutsche Bank is done with Trump. And other banks are also done with him… And it seems EVERYone is done with him… Where exactly is Trump going to get the money to keep his empire afloat? Forbes pointed out that many of Trump’s properties that were guaranteeing his loans were fine, because they were turning a profit… But how does that pan out now? His golf courses are being abandoned by Pro Tours. His former supporters are abandoning him in droves, and the thought of going to a Trump property is going to be absolutely toxic to a lot of folks now. What happens to the Trump business when cash flow dries up, and banks are nowhere to be found? Russian money? I will bet that even that dries up now. Will the Trump business empire collapse in the next 4 years as loans are called, cash flow disappears, and everyone abandons his businesses? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2886 "2021-01-12T16:35:22Z")
Aye; hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2887 "2021-01-12T16:39:01Z")
It won’t take four years. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2888 "2021-01-12T16:39:30Z")
The one who escorted insurrectionists should be prosecuted ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2889 "2021-01-12T16:41:10Z")
I wonder too, if Trump’s business empire isn’t just a house of cards, with a lot of shell companies, poor cash flow, reliant on loans to prop it up. Remove a few of the cards (loans) and the whole thing comes crashing down. We should run a pool. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2890 "2021-01-12T16:43:50Z")
No true billionaire goes on QVC to shill his steaks. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2891 "2021-01-12T16:50:07Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > You can’t satirize these people. 🤣 > > _The Onion_ just got out-onioned. I think that one of the big risks we face going forward is that as the shock of what happened Wednesday begins to recede, the absolute ridiculousness of some of these people will lead others to minimize or try to laugh off what they did and what they represent. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2892 "2021-01-12T16:55:51Z")
Any time you encounter someone downplaying it as just kooks like Florida Man and Desk Man and Horny Fur Man, point them to this statement from the now resigned chief of the Capitol Police: > [@](#): > > “As soon as they hit the fence line, the fight was on,” Sund said. “Violent confrontations from the start. They came with riot helmets, gas masks, shields, pepper spray, fireworks, climbing gear — climbing gear! — explosives, metal pipes, baseball bats. I have never seen anything like it in 30 years of events in Washington.” > **[Outgoing Capitol Police chief: House, Senate security officials hamstrung...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sund-riot-national-guard/2021/01/10/fc2ce7d4-5384-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html)** > > Even as rioters violently overran his forces, Steven Sund said in an exclusive interview, the sergeants at arms for the House and Senate took more than an hour to approve his request. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2893 "2021-01-12T17:00:03Z")
I assume that Trump will find some millionaire MAGA rubes to float him some money, like the pillow guy. All of his supporters will claim that the banks are just treating him mean. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2894 "2021-01-12T17:07:44Z")
He’s gonna have to find someone to replace Sheldon Adelson now. And I suspect a lot of his other deep pocket supporters are going to be “unavailable to return his calls” for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2895 "2021-01-12T17:13:23Z")
I’m almost certain that’s the case. His business empire is really a game of cash flow and property that he can use as both collateral and ways to launder illegitimate money. It works as long as you have other partners (gangsters) who have something to gain and are willing to do their part to play along. Deutsche Bank is already facing some scrutiny at home and abroad, but now that their client has been implicated in an assault on the United States government and the party coming into power, I suspect that they are more than a little nervous about the scrutiny that’s coming. And they should be. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2896 "2021-01-12T17:16:13Z")
What’s in it for them, though? Now that Trump is out, he is now longer their access to power. He is essentially useless to them, and his business brand is toxic now. That doesn’t mean that at least some people will still gravitate toward him – there will always be some kind of market for Trump, somewhere. But he’s got a lot of loans coming due in a few years and it’s not clear how he pays them all back, which means a lot of his properties (corporations) will dissolve. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2897 "2021-01-12T17:16:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Deutsche Bank But but but, they are such a moral and ethical institution! Beyond reproach! > **[Deutsche Bank handed $124 million bribery fines – DW – 01/08/2021](https://www.dw.com/en/deutsche-bank-handed-124-million-in-bribery-fines-by-us-court/a-56176485)** > > Germany's biggest lender has agreed to the payout to settle allegations that it broke US anti-bribery and commodities trading laws. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2898 "2021-01-12T17:18:04Z")
I’m convinced many, if not all, of the big banks engage in bribery, help global thugs hide assets, and exert political influence in ways most of us in rule of law/democratic nations would find reprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2899 "2021-01-12T18:08:18Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Deutsche Bank is already facing some scrutiny at home and abroad, but now that their client has been implicated in an assault on the United States government and the party coming into power, I suspect that they are more than a little nervous about the scrutiny that’s coming. And they should be. Like I mentioned a day or two ago, I’m quite confident this about-face by the bank is connected to the sudden resignation of Trump’s personal financial fixer at the institution. [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-bank-rosemary-vrablic-idUSKBN28W2CI](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-bank-rosemary-vrablic-idUSKBN28W2CI) I work in European money. This smells like a mid-investigation purge and course correction. (Not because they’re angels being deceived by an internal crook, but because they’re choosing to sweep some dirt out from under the rug while trying to strategize how to minimize their inevitable lumps.) ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2900 "2021-01-12T18:13:36Z")
If they have latched on to Trump’s coattails and are true believers then I can see them thinking there is more glory ahead. They’ll be like the survivors of the Long March who came back into power and rained destruction on their enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2901 "2021-01-12T18:14:51Z")
I wonder, too, if Trump is about to get a high level of scrutiny from multiple quarters, including the feds. The bank might be trying to sever ties before that scrutiny leads to them. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2902 "2021-01-12T18:32:51Z")
I think some believe the government is putting “things” in inorganic food. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2903 "2021-01-12T18:37:33Z")
I suspect this is exactly what they fear – and they probably realize that the U.S. is about to get a real Attorney General and real federal investigations that won’t be walled off by political considerations. If there’s money laundering, the banks probably know about it – they’re required to report suspicious transactions under federal law. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=146)