# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 149
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2965 "2021-01-13T00:12:37Z")
> **[Brooks helped plan Jan. 6 event, activist and organizer of rally says](https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/12/brooks-helped-plan-jan-6-event-activist-and-organizer-of-rally-says/)** > > Rep. Mo Brooks says he did not plan the rally with "Stop the Steal" organizer Ali Alexander, despite Alexander saying Brooks did. Anyone want to predict the baseline for the over/under on how many congressmen get perp-walked by the FBI for actively collaborating with and assisting the seditionists? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2966 "2021-01-13T00:15:23Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole1](#): > > I have a feeling that Mitch actually wants Trump gone. He was visibly angry last week; I can see him now voting to convict when impeachment goes to the Senate. Doesn’t surprise me at all. Insurrection is bad for his paymasters. And I imagine he loathes Trump personally. McConnell himself is pretty loathsome, but he’s smart enough to see through Trump’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2967 "2021-01-13T00:21:55Z")
> The DC US attorney said today that people will be shocked when they learn what happened in the Capitol. Keep in mind, top congressional leaders have quite likely been briefed what they’ve found. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2968 "2021-01-13T00:27:55Z")
McConnell is not interested in the cultural grievances Trump brought to the table. No doubt he wished the party dumped Trump after the Access Hollywood tape scandal and propped Pence up. All the judicial appointments McConnell rammed through just needed a generic republican in the White House and a generic republican may have got more legislative accomplishments too. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2969 "2021-01-13T00:35:50Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But he’s got a lot of loans coming due in a few years and it’s not clear how he pays them all back, which means a lot of his properties (corporations) will dissolve. I can’t see him having enough rubes to keep himself propped up, so I can only pray he’s still alive as he faces the prospect of option after option after option drying up. I want to see him incrementally locked in to a course of shabby gentiity penury if incarceration is not an opiton. ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jungian_camisole1/32/3646_2.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2970 "2021-01-13T00:38:12Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > > The DC US attorney said today that people will be shocked when they learn what happened in the Capitol. Keep in mind, top congressional leaders have quite likely been briefed what they’ve found. I was wondering how high this will go. I read a comment on WaPo about how everyone in Trump’s tent were singing and dancing after his 1/6 rally speech, and the commenter made the point that if they’re at a supposedly somber event, then why were they having a celebration? Because they possibly knew what was coming? I am not into conspiracy theories, but I had to admit that sounded nearly plausible. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2971 "2021-01-13T00:39:13Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > **I can’t see him having enough rubes to keep himself propped up** , so I can only pray he’s still alive as he faces the prospect of option after option after option drying up. I want to see him incrementally locked in to a course of shabby gentiity penury if incarceration is not an opiton. - Nor rubles. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2972 "2021-01-13T00:39:59Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’m no docror, but the way I hear it the mask mainly keeps you from spreading it. Which Republicans don’t give a fuck about. Yes, it does that. And ALSO protects the wearer. [https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98158-547534--,00.html](https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98158-547534--,00.html) > LANSING, MI (Dec 15, 2020) – The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) is launching an initiative to not only get Michiganders to mask up, but to mask right. > > “The science is now settled: Masks protect others from COVID – and they protect the wearer,” said Robert Gordon, MDHHS director. > … There are lots of other sites that confirm this. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2973 "2021-01-13T00:43:49Z")
Once again, for the slow kids, [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW4AXgbWsAEAovl.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW4AXgbWsAEAovl.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2974 "2021-01-13T00:47:29Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > It’s hard for me to grasp why elements within the FBI would be that pro-Trump. He has spent the last 4 years largely impinging the leaders and integrity of the FBI. Is this the LE version of battered-woman syndrome? For the same reason so many other people have fallen victim to Trump. He has an uncanny and profound ability to fuck with their minds. Maybe unlike any other person in history. There will be books written on this subject for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2975 "2021-01-13T00:54:28Z")
That’s a great poster. So many nice little extensions to the analogy, too: - When you’re wearing pants, don’t leave your dick hanging out. - Since everyone around is probably pissing in their pants, keep 6 feet away from them just in case. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2976 "2021-01-13T00:57:19Z")
Yeah, but the POINT is that the Republican shitballs who refuse to wear masks don’t give a flying fuck about other people. SHEESH, already. (…Yeah, bit it protects the wearer, too. … Oh GOD!) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2977 "2021-01-13T00:58:11Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole1](#): > > I was wondering how high this will go. I read a comment on WaPo about how everyone in Trump’s tent were singing and dancing after his 1/6 rally speech, and the commenter made the point that if they’re at a supposedly somber event, then why were they having a celebration? Because they possibly knew what was coming? I think it likely Trump has a dacha waiting for him in southern Russia. Maybe it’ll have a guest house that a bunch of these asshats can stay in. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2978 "2021-01-13T00:58:46Z")
> **[Rep. Pramila Jayapal tests positive for coronavirus after Capitol siege but...](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/rep-pramila-jayapal-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-after-being-locked-down-with-lawmakers-who-wouldnt-wear-masks/)** > > Rep. Pramila Jayapal tested positive for coronavirus Monday night, her office said, after she was locked down during the siege of the Capitol with "Republican lawmakers who cruelly and selfishly refused to wear masks." Not just a nearby representative, but a relative of one of the 10 first year students on my college residence floor. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2979 "2021-01-13T00:59:31Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Yeah, but the POINT is that the Republican shitballs who refuse to wear masks don’t give a flying fuck about other people. SHEESH, already. It’s not even that. They think it’s all bullshit and those other people are stupid for wearing masks. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2980 "2021-01-13T01:00:24Z")
Hypothetical: Donald Trump tomorrow sends out a notice that says: “I hereby pardon anyone who participated in any and all events of January 6 at the Capitol building, as they were just trying to stop the election from being stolen from me. Further, I pardon anyone who helped these people associated with the events of January 6 at the Capitol building.” Effectively, he pardons anyone and everyone who participated in the failed coup attempt that he himself started. Sound kosher? All OK? Nothing can be done? Just don’t bother charging anyone and shut down any investigations? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2981 "2021-01-13T01:05:52Z")
We’re not supposed to say that out loud, because he is probably unaware of it, and there are only days left. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2982 "2021-01-13T01:08:25Z")
A House staffer was passing out masks while they were all sheltered and there are videos of House members and their staffs refusing to take them. ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2983 "2021-01-13T01:09:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “I hereby pardon anyone who participated in any and all events of January 6 at the Capitol building, as they were just trying to stop the election from being stolen from me. Further, I pardon anyone who helped these people associated with the events of January 6 at the Capitol building.” One theory I read somewhere today is that such a move would dramatically increase his own legal exposure, as evidence that he was complicit. The power to pardon himself is untested, and doesn’t apply to civil suits for wrongful death, or state crimes that may be inferred, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/2984 "2021-01-13T01:16:30Z")
I read a news story today that said that one of Trump’s advisors told him to think of OJ Simpson as regards civil liability if he is dumb enough to pardon himself. Trump is probably going to get sued out of existence anyhow but that would make it even worse for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=148) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=150)