# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 155
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3088 "2021-01-15T18:58:26Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I find it ambiguous as to whether the president would resume their powers before those 4 days are up or not. In either case, they would not need to wait those 4 days if it seems as though he would. I’m not seeing that ambiguity in the plain English reading of that, but the phrasing is messy enough that you could be right. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3089 "2021-01-15T19:00:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Correct, except they have 21 days to rule. My point in bringing up the 21 days was to show it would last longer than Trump had left. > > I wasn’t meaning to imply they had to take four days to respond. But note this is their second response–the first response is what starts the whole thing. Ah, okay. These conversations are getting a bit complicated - I guess when you said “No” you were agreeing with me that you think the President loses his powers until Congress decides, and disagreeing with @Miller. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3090 "2021-01-15T19:03:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Band name! I think that’s the backing singers. The full band name is _Rudy and the Seditious Delusions_. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3091 "2021-01-15T19:03:55Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I’ve been spending some time at the Newsmax site, in the comments, to understand what they’re thinking. And your brain hasn’t crawled its way out of your ears yet? I admire both your dedication and constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3092 "2021-01-15T19:05:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I admire both your dedication and constitution. His constitution seems to be more robust than our Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3093 "2021-01-15T19:09:47Z")
Yeah, as long as there is money to be had, Newsmax will be there! They can use fear of liberals to sell just about anything. I went down a couple of clicks and filled out a survey, then got sent here. This grift is a real trip, notice the fake tweet by Nancy Pelosi claiming that these limited quantity collectible coins should be banned. [https://rawconservativeopinions.com/p/trc2020/liberals-are-furious-over-trumps-latest-gift-to-his-supporters/?funnel=nht\_v59n&hop=crseyeblls&lp=trc2020\_1&clickid=wsc5v59t0pijgjq42o71n8pi&Drop=LockerDome](https://rawconservativeopinions.com/p/trc2020/liberals-are-furious-over-trumps-latest-gift-to-his-supporters/?funnel=nht_v59n&hop=crseyeblls&lp=trc2020_1&clickid=wsc5v59t0pijgjq42o71n8pi&Drop=LockerDome) ETA- I went to check the price and they are _ **giving** _ them away now, although they sure charge a buttload to handle and ship a little piece of metal! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3094 "2021-01-15T19:17:11Z")
What about “_Insurrection IPA_”? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3095 "2021-01-15T19:28:36Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > it appears that with no VP, the Speaker inherits the powers under the 25th with respect to the President. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Looks like that is a possibility, but is untested in practice. There would probably be (loud) arguments from both sides. If it came about through Pence resigning, it would be hotly disputed. If it came about through his assassination - I think much less so! In terms of the safety of himself and his family, the fact that Pelosi would probably inherit his powers may well factor into Pence’s thinking as he’s wielding the threat of the 25th over Trump this week. This is where we’ve got to. The VP factoring in the possibility of the President plotting to assassinate him. Between this and COVID, Trump has turned _us_ into one of his “shithole” countries. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3096 "2021-01-15T19:58:53Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > My sense is that some members of congress will have to be expelled (not to mention prosecuted), which is going to be an extremely contentious issue in its own right, but that is a fight that we will have to have. This will not happen, not with a 2/3rd req. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3097 "2021-01-15T19:59:50Z")
They could conceivably be prosecuted, and then expelled. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3098 "2021-01-15T20:11:54Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I think it’s also true that if Pence resigns or is assassinated, a replacement VP must be approved by Congress, and the speaker is next in line in automatic succession - does that mean Pelosi would become VP? No Pelosi only automatically becomes Prez. They have to select a Veep. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3099 "2021-01-15T20:43:18Z")
I think that his chance to do that has genuinely gone, he had one chance to declare a state of emergency and perhaps martial law, and that was when he might have been able to manipulate the briefings and social media to declare the US nation is imperiled by dark forces. Under conditions such as the death of Pence, and a signficant amount of Congress and perhaps widespread revolt and disruption I think that the National Guard and military forces would have gone into action with few questions. I doubt that he has enough credibility with armed force leaders now unless they are completely turned to MAGA - even if he made the call I think the Generals would exercise judgement over blind obedience. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3100 "2021-01-15T21:00:41Z")
I missed that up to this moment, but did those idiots not realize if they had …hanged?.. hung? …executed Pence on the gallows, that all they’d accomplish was making Pelosi President for the rest of Trump’s term? Yeah, I know they planned on killing her, too — but they were going for Pence first…jeez… ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3101 "2021-01-15T21:02:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > What about “ _Insurrection IPA_ ”? It’s certainly filled with bitterness. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3102 "2021-01-15T21:06:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Wack-nut conspiracy scenario possibility… > > - Trump then catches everyone off guard by pardoning anyone who had anything to do with the riot of all federal crimes > - Trump then hints that his supporters need to finish the job and that he can pardon them again > [@CurtC](#): > > I’ve been spending some time at the Newsmax site, in the comments, to understand what they’re thinking. I don’t think that pardons from Trump would be that valued because those folks _still_ are saying that the violence was perpetrated by Antifa. @asahi, in addition to what @CurtC said, I’m not sure that the prospect of a last minute Trump pardon now makes a huge difference in the calculus of someone considering further armed insurrection before the 20th. Law enforcement are now out in force and on high alert, backed up by substantial miliitary force, with far less tolerant rules of engagement this time around. So anyone who is still crazy enough to do something is already prepared for higher stakes than criminal prosecution by the liberal usurpers - the penalty for failure may be death. They don’t see themselves as criminals, and they think they will be martyrs or heroes. They already expect a pardon if they succeed and Trump stays in office, of course. They expect a Medal Of Freedom. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3103 "2021-01-15T21:07:58Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I’ve been spending some time at the Newsmax site, in the comments, to understand what they’re thinking. I don’t think that pardons from Trump would be that valued because those folks _still_ are saying that the violence was perpetrated by Antifa. I thoroughly endorse Trump pardoning any insurrectionist that publically confirms that they are a ‘card carrying’ ‘’‘member’‘’ of Antifa. (Note: I will not be responsible for the mess created by the exploding heads.) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3104 "2021-01-15T21:24:14Z")
Forget about Iran, I’m starting to feel like Biden should decommission all of _our_ nuclear weapons, because there’s every indication that we’re not mature enough to have them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3105 "2021-01-15T21:25:13Z")
?? Where would trump have gone? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3106 "2021-01-15T21:31:17Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > that all they’d accomplish was making Pelosi President for the rest of Trump’s term? Why wouldn’t Donald Trump be president if Mike Pence died? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3107 "2021-01-15T21:33:45Z")
My bad, I guess I just assumed if he actually murdered Pence …I just wasn’t thinking for a minute…sorry [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=154) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=156)