# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 159
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3168 "2021-01-16T23:19:03Z")
Loews Hotel has canceled a Josh Hawley “family friendly” (in this time of pandemic) fundraiser in Orlando in February after it became publicized on Twitter and posters there contacted Loews asking them if they supported insurrectionists, > **[After uproar, Loews cancels fundraiser for Sen. Josh Hawley at Universal...](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-hawley-fundraier-orlando-20210116-vxsovvofb5hz3dplinvlokz5pe-story.html)** > > Loews Hotels canceled a planned fundraiser at its Portofino Bay Hotel at Universal Orlando for U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, who spearheaded the objections to President-elect Biden’s win in Congress on Jan. 6. ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3169 "2021-01-16T23:32:30Z")
While people are arguing whether Trump was abetting the coup attempt at his 6 January speech or from the election, I’m really surprised that we’ve forgotten the occupation of the Michigan state house by armed militia about mid-year. From memory Trump was conspicuously silent at the time. Is my impression correct? If so I’d see it as tacitly condoning such similar actions in the future, further fostered by his ‘Stand by’ comments in the election debate. The coup attempt should not be constructed as a last-minute poorly thought-out attempt by upset loons who misinterpreted a ranting Trump to reverse the election result on their own initiative. It’s an action that was well within the range of behaviours already carried out by his supporters that he was willing to tolerate and did not call out. There was no surprise that this could happen again, and Trump continued to egg on the idea of rising dissent from his supporters to undermine any push-back from elected officials regardless of context. If its suppresses democratic process like a fascist duck and asserts power through threat of violence like a fascist duck … ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3170 "2021-01-16T23:38:02Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > But that’s a lot to accomplish in 2 years (next Congressional election) or 4 years (1 term) or even 8 years (if he can make it that long). Maybe I’m putting too much at his feet. He will receive a lot of help from Republicans, unwittingly. Red states are all now being governed by Republicans from the county level up. Which means over the next couple of years residents of these states will see taxes go up, services cut, civil services jobs gone to privatization, public education funding shifted to private schools. It’ll take a while, but at some point Trumpers will realize Republicans aren’t actually on the side of the working man. Hard to imagine they will turn back to Democrats, but they may be ready to remove Republicans. Maybe a third party will arise with Trump at the center. ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3171 "2021-01-17T00:38:04Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > It’ll take a while, but at some point Trumpers will realize Republicans aren’t actually on the side of the working man. Not with right-wing media screaming in their ears 24/7 that all their woes are because of the socialist democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3172 "2021-01-17T00:50:56Z")
> [@squidfood](#): > > Not with right-wing media screaming in their ears 24/7 that all their woes are because of the socialist democrats. It’ll be interesting to see if the rise of some actual socialist democrats, or Democratic Socialists, in red states peels off some of the anti-elitist Republicans. [As noted earlier this year,](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-voters-helped-trump-win-white-house-could-they-do-n1145306) > [@](#): > > In 2016, about 216,000 Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin voters backed the Vermont senator [Bernie Sanders] in the spring and Trump in the fall, according to an analysis of exit polling — well over twice the president’s total margin of victory in those states, which were critical to his electoral vote win in the face of a decisive popular vote loss. Populist parties in the US have sometimes been an unpredictable mix of right-wing and left-wing causes. I wonder where that might go now. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3173 "2021-01-17T00:54:10Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > It’ll take a while, but at some point Trumpers will realize Republicans aren’t actually on the side of the working man. No they won’t. When all these things happen, they’ll blame “liberals and Democrats”. It does not matter to them who actually caused it. The important thing is to blame someone else. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3174 "2021-01-17T01:37:06Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > May” does not modify “assisting the rioters”, it modifies “plausible reasons”. It’s looking at justification, not the existence of the event. Maybe you can say what you mean rather than this torture of the poor defenseless English language? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3175 "2021-01-17T01:43:42Z")
> [@](#): > > The suspect, Wesley Allen Beeler, 31, was stopped in a Ford pick-up truck with gun-related decals. Yep, plan to infiltrate the inauguration in a pick-up truck with _gun decals_ on it. So many of these people are incredibly stupid. Thank goodness. > [@](#): > > The suspect’s Ford F-150 pickup displayed weapons-related stickers, including one that read, “Assault Life,” and another that said, “If they come for your guns Give 'Em your bullets first,” police said. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3176 "2021-01-17T01:46:45Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > Which means over the next couple of years residents of these states will see taxes go up, services cut, civil services jobs gone to privatization, public education funding shifted to private schools. For which they’ll blame Biden. > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Yep, plan to infiltrate the inauguration in a pick-up truck with _gun decals_ on it. So many of these people are incredibly stupid. Thank goodness. > > > [@](#): > > > > The suspect’s Ford F-150 pickup displayed weapons-related stickers, including one that read, “Assault Life,” and another that said, “If they come for your guns Give 'Em your bullets first,” police said. Let’s **not** tell him where he missed the exit to Cunning Plan. Make him guess what called attention to him. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3177 "2021-01-17T02:11:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > (Andy Rooney) Didja ever notice it’s always three names with those crazy shooter bastards. To be nitpicky, the media typically refers to notorious people by their full names so that it’s easier to tell them apart from others who may share their first and last names. And it’s super important to make sure they do this now due to the world-wide ass smacking people get as soon as they get to be notorious. All of the other Wesley Beelers in the world breathe a sigh of relief. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3178 "2021-01-17T02:34:09Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > The suspect, Wesley Allen Beeler, 31, was stopped in a Ford pick-up truck with gun-related decals. > > Yep, plan to infiltrate the inauguration in a pick-up truck with _gun decals_ on it. So many of these people are incredibly stupid. Thank goodness. > > > [@](#): > > > > The suspect’s Ford F-150 pickup displayed weapons-related stickers, including one that read, “Assault Life,” and another that said, “If they come for your guns Give 'Em your bullets first,” police said. In some parts of the country, a pickup _without_ at least one gun decal would stand out. By his standards he _was_ trying to be inconspicuous. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3179 "2021-01-17T03:03:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Irishman](#): > > > > May” does not modify “assisting the rioters”, it modifies “plausible reasons”. It’s looking at justification, not the existence of the event. > > Maybe you can say what you mean rather than this torture of the poor defenseless English language? Both the original statement and his explanation were perfectly normal English. You just parsed it incorrectly. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3180 "2021-01-17T03:04:40Z")
Are you **Irishman**? 🙄 Ok, if you think it is so damn clear, write it out for us. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3181 "2021-01-17T11:42:07Z")
Did anyone post the Venezuela comment on all this? It was pure passive aggressive, deserved fuck-you-America gold. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3182 "2021-01-17T12:00:26Z")
Did you post it, or are you just wondering if anyone posted that thing you’re thinking about? ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3183 "2021-01-17T12:11:32Z")
I can’t find it for some reason, please post it. From their ambassador I think. ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3184 "2021-01-17T13:48:47Z")
Oh joy, celebrating a corrupt Left Kleptocrat system Venezuelan snark on the USA. Haha. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3185 "2021-01-17T13:51:41Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > He will receive a lot of help from Republicans, unwittingly. Red states are all now being governed by Republicans from the county level up. Which means over the next couple of years residents of these states will see taxes go up, services cut, civil services jobs gone to privatization, public education funding shifted to private schools. It’ll take a while, but at some point Trumpers will realize Republicans aren’t actually on the side of the working man. Hard to imagine they will turn back to Democrats, but they may be ready to remove Republicans. Maybe a third party will arise with Trump at the center. There is literally zero chance they will realize their problems are the Republicans fault. None. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3186 "2021-01-17T15:38:22Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > (Andy Rooney) Didja ever notice it’s always three names with those crazy shooter bastards. Sounds like “crazy shooter bastard” is a bit of an overstatement… " A federal law enforcement official said that the man, Wesley A. Beeler, 31, worked as a contractor, and that his credential was issued by the Park Police, but was not recognized by the police officer. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the arrest. Mr. Beeler had no known extremist ties, the official said. “It was an honest mistake,” Mr. Beeler [told The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/capitol-protests-live-updates-inauguration-security/#link-EPGWV375D5DB3LXAJ4HTERL6XI) after being charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and released on Saturday afternoon. He said he had been working a security job in Washington, was running late to work, and had forgotten that his firearm was in his truck. “I pulled up to a checkpoint after getting lost in D.C. because I’m a country boy,” he told The Post. “I showed them the inauguration badge that was given to me.” [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/16/us/politics/man-arrested-dc-checkpoint.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/16/us/politics/man-arrested-dc-checkpoint.html) (I still deduct responsibility points for forgetting the weapon was in the truck. Can’t do that.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3187 "2021-01-17T15:56:25Z")
And so it is Sunday the 17th; IIRC, there is supposed to be protests at all 50 State capitals today, leading up to the “Million Militia March” on Washington come the 20th. We’ll see how many actually show up and if they try storming their capitals; my guess it that it will be a damn fizzle, except maybe for states (Like Idaho/Oregon) that have large numbers of assorted nuts and a relatively small police force. We shall see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=158) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=160)