# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 167
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3328 "2021-01-20T03:36:09Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > That solution included requiring libraries to report you, without your knowledge of course, if you check out certain books. Which is not even vaguely related to the events of 9/11, but was probably a result of the Ted Kazinski trial (librarian refused to tell them what books he’d checked out). Which is why some libraries asked themselves : “Is there any reason we need to keep a record of a patron’s books that they checked out and returned?” Answer : no. So they modified their software to delete records of books checked out and returned. Can’t give information to the police that you don’t have. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3329 "2021-01-20T03:40:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I guess I’ll have to put up with regular pillows until a non-mental company starts making versions of MyPillow. Look for CPAP/adjustable pillows. I bought this one a number of years ago, and it’s still going strong: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NERG2O4](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NERG2O4) ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3330 "2021-01-20T03:44:48Z")
Kroger, the grocery store??? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3331 "2021-01-20T04:01:28Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > There still seems to be an almost total silence from the federal agencies regarding the progress of the investigation. > > I’m thinking that might change tomorrow afternoon. I’m okay with that, even if they’re not announced on Wednesday. Slow, methodical, and _make charges that stick._ I’ll admit a certain amount of schadenfreude at the thought of some insurrectionists thinking they’ve gotten away with it until they hear a helicopter hovering overhead while black sedan pulls up in front of their house and four grim looking men get out. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3332 "2021-01-20T04:10:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@Ziberian](#): > > > > Still, if I were searching for valuable stuff, I’d start with the bottom drawer. > > Good tradecraft matters. > > If burgling, or searching a premises with no concern about them knowing you were here, _always_ start with the lowest drawer(s). Pull the bottom-most open, rifle the contents, pull the drawer above open, rifle the contents, Lather rinse repeat to the top, then move to the next column, etc. > > Much faster than open the top drawer, rifle the contents, close the drawer so you can reach the next drawer down, pull it open, … > > After rifling, stuff never fits back in neatly, so you either need to smash it to force the drawer closed, or throw the excess on the floor. IOW there’s lots of monkey motion if you work top down, and zero if you work bottom up. All the filing cabinets I’ve seen in government offices have locking mechanisms to allow only one drawer at a time to be drawn open, to prevent the whole cabinet from becoming unbalanced and toppling forward. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3333 "2021-01-20T04:18:32Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > That solution included requiring libraries to report you, without your knowledge of course, if you check out certain books. Cite? Now, of course they _could_ get a court order ask what books you checked out. No law included requiring libraries to report you if you check out certain books. That is simpley false. See, most people dont know anything about the Patriot Act except they dont like it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3334 "2021-01-20T04:22:00Z")
No, they arent. Yes, a NP group got themselves added to krogers list of charities to donate to, but Kroger dropped them like a hot potato once they found out. > **[Kroger unwittingly contributed to an Indiana militia group](https://news.yahoo.com/kroger-unwittingly-contributed-indiana-militia-010635589.html)** > > Kroger removed a nonprofit from a list of organizations eligible for donations after it learned it had unwittingly supported a militia group. They were a IRS-approved nonprofit , how would Kroger know? They dont vet them other than that. Amazon ran into the same issue. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3335 "2021-01-20T04:24:40Z")
Read down a bit, you will find out it is no longer true and why. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3336 "2021-01-20T04:41:43Z")
I’m good. I was just confirming that “@Kroger” was referring to the grocery store chain. (There are no Kroger’s near me.) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3337 "2021-01-20T04:45:35Z")
The insurance company lawyer who lost his job after his involvement in the coup attempt, is suing every member of Congress, every state Governor, and Mark Zuckerberg, because the election was illegal. I don’t know why the Senators who didn’t run for reelection are involved, but crazies gotta craze. > **[After Being Fired Over Capitol Insurrection, Lawyer Finds Legal Work Suing......](https://abovethelaw.com/2021/01/after-being-fired-over-capitol-insurrection-lawyer-finds-legal-work-suing-pretty-much-every-politician-and-mark-zuckerberg/)** > > When will the election lawsuits end? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3338 "2021-01-20T07:33:46Z")
> according to his wife, who recounted the conversation to the FBI, which did not name the relatives. his wife, whom nobody could possibly identify with just that information… ?! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3339 "2021-01-20T07:48:50Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I suppose it’s a program generally for supporting NonProfits, and that Kroger/Ralph’s themselves did not do a direct vetting of the organizations in it. Yes, exactly. The question is not why a retail chain would allow registered nonprofits to sign up for a charity program with minimal oversight. The question is why the IRS would approve nonprofit status for a group with such a naked partisan political agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3340 "2021-01-20T10:56:30Z")
Because it wants to avoid getting buried in propaganda from the right that it is “persecuting” conservatives. > **[IRS targeting controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy?wprov=sfti1)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > In 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS), under the Obama administration, revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. This led to wide condemnation of the agency and triggered several investigations, including a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) criminal probe ordered by United States Attorney General Eric Holder. Conservatives... ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3341 "2021-01-20T12:32:43Z")
OK, so this could turn out to be a big deal. Thanks for the info. j ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3342 "2021-01-20T13:21:52Z")
I read some thing recently that these right wing charities are sometimes a scam and that the money goes into the pockets of the organizers. The right wing gets all mad if the irs investigates these ‘charities’ so they don’t get rooted out. The end result is millions of right wing dollars donated for right wing causes don’t get used for their intended political purpose. It’s kind of wonderful. This dates back to tea party stuff, but the legacy lives on. I can only imagine that scammers will latch onto such an exploit with glee. ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3343 "2021-01-20T13:41:52Z")
Sorry but joke is on you, as no the Poster is totally serious, this is the same extreme Left hardcore that cited the Jacobin mag in a serious straight face manner arguing apologia for Corbyn… It’s sad and pathetic to excitedly cite Venezuelan statements in glee, sinking really to the bottom of the barrel ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3344 "2021-01-20T13:43:28Z")
I am going to guess this is the start of the end of his legal career ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3345 "2021-01-20T13:55:08Z")
That’s kind of an understatement, but it’s delicious. > **[Opinion | Bannon’s indictment confirms that the American right is made up of...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/20/bannons-indictment-confirms-that-american-right-is-made-up-con-artists/)** > > Bannon gets charged with the oldest grift in the conservative playbook. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3346 "2021-01-20T14:53:17Z")
NOW I believe that the coup has failed. Congrats! ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3347 "2021-01-20T15:49:04Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > BTW love the crying and whining about how they want to ruin his life. Jeeesus, man get a grip. This was a case of _“it was at this moment, that Kevin knew, he’d fucked up”_ . He’ll just have to take the damn bus. Yes, who would have thought that ~~un~~ civil disobedience would have consequences. AMAZING! > [@Colibri](#): > > I’ve noticed that Trumpists on Facebook are all of a sudden saying “Can’t we all just get along!” after having been total assholes for the past four years. [Kool-Aid Man]Oh Yeah![/Kool-Aid Man] > [@Riemann](#): > > As galling as that is, if they are heading in a less belligerent direction is that maybe a hint of the first questioning of the validity of the alternative reality of the cult? No, it’s a self-serving flip reality on it’s head claim that it’s the Democrats who have been and are being divisive, that all the rancor of politics and the unrest is the Dems’ fault for their plots against Trump. Not that the Tea Party has been feeding the flames of “My way or the highway” and Trump actually did bad things to earn the campaign against him. Still alternative reality, just recognition that they no longer have the power, now they have to play the victim. > [@Colibri](#): > > One was a neighbor when we were kids. When my liberal siblings posted anti-Trump things he would pop in to take swipes. When he did it recently and tried the “You have to deal with us” gambit, we all shredded him. His last post was “Fuck you and your whole liberal family” and then he blocked us. I’m not on Facebook, but my sister is. She’s been in regular contact with a couple of my cousins who are Trumpers. Every time they post lies and bullshit and conspiracy mess, she takes the time to debunk the nonsense with sources and links. Both have now blocked her. I guess she’s too mean to them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=166) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=168)