# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 169
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3368 "2021-01-20T20:44:17Z")
The rationale of “I don’t want to admit I was wrong”. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3369 "2021-01-20T21:17:19Z")
Now that is amusing. It really is a cult thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3370 "2021-01-20T21:19:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Ziberian](#): > > > > That solution included requiring libraries to report you, without your knowledge of course, if you check out certain books. > > Cite? Now, of course they _could_ get a court order ask what books you checked out. > > No law included requiring libraries to report you if you check out certain books. That is simpley false. I was wrong – they don’t have to report you. You are also wrong – LE doesn’t need a court order. I think most people know enough about the Patriot Act to know it seriously infringes on our right to privacy, which is, imho, a very good reason to dislike it. “Section 215, which became known as the “library records provision,” not only allowed law enforcement agencies to secretly monitor electronic communications emanating from libraries, it also required librarians to turn over patron information if requested and even imposed a gag order on those forced to comply, thus preventing them from telling anyone” > **[“Baseless Hysteria”? | American Libraries Magazine](https://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/2016/05/31/baseless-hysteria-patriot-act/)** > > Wayne A. Wiegand recounts the history of ALA's opposition to Section 215, known as the “library records provision,” of the USA Patriot Act. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3371 "2021-01-20T22:12:50Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > I was wrong – they don’t have to report you. You are also wrong – LE doesn’t need a court order. I think most people know enough about the Patriot Act to know it seriously infringes on our right to privacy, which is, imho, a very good reason to dislike it. > **[USA PATRIOT Act and Library Confidentiality](https://sfpl.org/about-us/confidentiality-and-usa-patriot-act)** > > Federal law and the Library's commitment to protecting user privacy and confidentiality _In general, how does the Library handle requests for records from law enforcement?_ _Typically, a court of competent jurisdiction must subpoena requests for borrower records. Based on the advice of the City Attorney in each case, the City Librarian releases the records only if the subpoena is legal and binding upon the Library._ _How has the enactment of the USA PATRIOT Act changed how the Library handles requests for borrower records from law enforcement?_ _Basic protocol remains the same: the request is forwarded to the City Librarian whose response is informed by the advice of the City Attorney. Under the USA PATRIOT Act, requests may come in the form of a search warrant rather than a subpoena._ So a warrant instead of a court order, still a warrant is issued by a Judge. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3372 "2021-01-20T22:36:47Z")
> [@Briny\_Deep](#): > > JohnT, I really want to thank you for this thread, and thanks to all its participants. It’s been a terrifying ride, but it was necessary. I am sure no better day-by-day account exists of what nearly happened since Election Day. The facts documented here must never be forgotten. And to that end, as I think this discussion should be limited to the events leading up to the Inauguration, I am going to request that this thread be closed so it _remains_ a historical testament to the events of the past 2+ months. Here is this thread’s replacement: > [@The American Coup Fallout thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029): > > Since the [actual coup](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182) is over, this is the thread to discuss the fallout from the coup attempt of 1.6.2021 (well, it started earlier, but that’s the date history will remember). Trials of Insurrectionists, bills passed and signed into law as a result, state-level reactions to what has occurred, and other items are fair game for discussion. However, as much as we can, let’s keep Trump impeachment discussions to the [Post Inauguration Impeachment](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-inauguration-impeachment/930190) thread, please. This thread is for news about all t… ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/3373 "2021-01-20T22:39:13Z")
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