# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/682 "2020-11-21T21:35:45Z")
This was an easy google, btw: “[sidney powell dominion debunk](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&ei=zoe5X_2CLsXm-gSmz4GAAQ&q=sidney+powell+dominion+debunk&oq=sidney+powell+dominion+debunk&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA0oFCAQSATFKBQgHEgExSgUICRIBMUoGCAoSAjMzUJcZWJcZYMgkaABwAHgAgAFXiAGoAZIBATKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj9oYrEy5TtAhVFs54KHaZnABAQ4dUDCAw&uact=5)” Here’s the AP: > **[AP FACT CHECK: Trump legal team's batch of false vote claims](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-legal-team-false-claims-5abd64917ef8be9e9e2078180973e8b3)** > > Despite a lack of evidence of widespread irregularities or fraud, President Donald Trump’s legal team used a Thursday press conference to go through a laundry list of far-fetched, thoroughly debunked claims on the 2020 election... ---
**Author:** ![Mdm.President](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@Mdm.President](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mdm.President)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/683 "2020-11-21T22:03:27Z")
I saw this link, tried it, and it kept crashing. I was paranoid that somehow I ended up on a bad site. That’s when I decided to come here. It’s still crashing for me after a few minutes and none of the links work. I’ll keep trying. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/684 "2020-11-21T22:04:57Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Also, a typewriter would be very satisfying to throw into a quarry Hairless Joe and Lonesome Polecat were once depicted throwing a typewriter into their boiling cauldron of Kickapoo Joy Juice “for vitamins A to Z”, along with a whole live horse “to give it body”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/685 "2020-11-21T22:08:38Z")
I don’t know them. I know _Toothless_ Joe and One-Arm Bob tho. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/oqskn2BgrpA/maxresdefault.jpg "Snowboarder Bo Snoarder - Bad Board Blues") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqskn2BgrpA) ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/686 "2020-11-21T22:20:07Z")
My grand-daughter works in a Redneck Riviera Restaurant (Pensacola FL) where the customers are preoccupied with Trump. Their common view is: The Biden administration is an exotic threat that looms over the US like a meteor strike. They don’t understand why Covid19 did not end on 3 Nov. Also the coin shortage should have ended with it. Trump won the election by a landslide. The Democrats then stole the election by massive fraud. Currently we are just waiting for Trump’s lawyers to untangle the legal mess. In January, Trump will be inaugurated for his second term. These folks wear Trump gear and have Trump flags on their cars. A few trucks have stanchions in the bed with large Trump and US flags. They leave $2 Space Force bills for tips. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/687 "2020-11-21T22:58:00Z")
Cross-posting from the Election Eternity thread: > **[Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-dcb7da95578fc7289122c6d372575a9b)** > > MILWAUKEE (AP) — Election officials in Wisconsin’s largest county accused observers for President Donald Trump on Saturday of seeking to obstruct a recount of the presidential results, in some instances by objecting to every ballot tabulators pulled... > [@](#): > > A steady stream of Republican complaints in Milwaukee was putting the recount far behind schedule, county clerk George Christenson said. He said many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments. > > “That’s unacceptable,” he said. He said some of the Trump observers “clearly don’t know what they are doing.” > > Tim Posnanski, a county election commissioner, told his fellow commissioners there appeared to be two Trump representatives at some tables where tabulators were counting ballots, violating rules that call for one observer from each campaign per table. Posnanski said some Trump representatives seemed to be posing as independents. > > At one recount table, a Trump observer objected to every ballot that tabulators pulled from a bag simply because they were folded, election officials told the panel. > > Posnanski called it “prima facie evidence of bad faith by the Trump campaign.” He added later: “I want to know what is going on and why there continues to be obstruction.” > > Joe Voiland, a lawyer speaking to commission members on behalf of the Trump campaign, denied his side was acting in bad faith. > > “I want to get to the point of dialing everything down … and not yelling at each other,” Voiland said. > > At least one Trump observer was escorted out of the building by sheriff’s deputies Saturday after pushing an election official who had lifted her coat from an observer chair. Another Trump observer was removed Friday for not wearing a face mask properly as required. There’s more at the link. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/688 "2020-11-21T23:00:54Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > This from CNN: > > > Even as some Republicans are starting to speak out about President Trump’s attacks on the election results, a wide array of Republicans continue to back the President — and some are endorsing his long-shot strategy of winning in the Electoral College and subverting the will of voters in key battleground states. > > It feels like this is happening. Trump is taking it all the way and no one who could stop it will do anything while no one who would stop it if they could can do anything and the rest of us are all just riding along heading toward the cliff in a big rickety bucket. > > > Asked if he’d be okay if state legislatures named electors that differed from the outcome of the vote counts in their states, [NC Rep. Richard] Hudson told CNN, “Yeah, that’s the constitutional process.” Personally, I’d have no problem with NC sending Biden electors in lieu of the A-HFS electors that the voters chose. Voters in NC are being dumbasses anyway. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/689 "2020-11-21T23:29:36Z")
What I foresee is at some point, the governor (or whoever normally certifies elections and sends electors) throwing their hands up and concluding that it’s a waste of time to deal with Trumpists who are merely attempting to disrupt and obstruct, and then attempting to take executive action to finish the process. And then that’s when we’ll hear claims that the election was stolen, that the recount wasn’t finished, and that the proper procedures were not followed and that an entirely new slate of electors should be chosen. It’s not a coordinated effort, but clearly there is an increasingly widespread attempt to disrupt and delay the process and then claim that the process of auditing or recounting wasn’t finished and that this proves that the Democrats “stole” the election or have something to hide. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/690 "2020-11-21T23:47:24Z")
withdrawn ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/691 "2020-11-21T23:53:32Z")
Pennsylvania just got cleared up: > **[In blistering ruling, judge throws out Trump suit in Pa.](https://apnews.com/article/judge-throws-out-trump-suit-pennsylvania-87eaf4df86d5f6ccc343c3385c9ba86c)** > > HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign's futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots. > [@](#): > > In his ruling, Brann said the Trump campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations … unsupported by evidence.” > > “In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” the opinion said. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.” ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/692 "2020-11-22T12:00:18Z")
Biden should leak a story that he is measuring the WH for tenting by Orkin on 21 Jan to remove any viruses or other pests. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/693 "2020-11-22T17:51:17Z")
And Pennsylvania GOP Senator Pat Toomey issued a statement that Biden won the election and urging Trump to end his legal challenges. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/694 "2020-11-22T17:59:44Z")
They’re already calling him “Cucker Carlson”, after YEARS of adoring admiration and re-posts of everything he said and did. Amazing how quickly they turn on anyone who dares to dissent from their narrative. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/695 "2020-11-22T18:02:01Z")
I think this is a good start. But seriously, there is probably no saving the Republican party at this point. It is in the throes of a full-on Nazification, and it must be destroyed. The most responsible thing that Republicans who oppose Trump’s takeover of the party can do is to leave the party and let it die. That is their only option. The idea that Trump is going to make the party suffer at the polls because he’ll hopefully one day cross some magic line that will make voters reject him is wishful thinking. Sometimes people need to be told how to think, or at least influenced to that end, and that is what I think leaving the GOP might achieve. The “never Trump” contingent would be better off leaving and becoming independents and vowing never to vote Republican until the party goes virtually extinct. If they can do that, then eventually whatever is left of the party will have a comparatively weak election apparatus. The fundraising will dry up. They will be less political potent. They will have to seek alliances to remain viable, and then when that time finally comes, that is when the _real_ conservatives can have the leverage they seek. They could then say _“You want my help? You want my leverage? Leave my fucking party first and then we can talk about your place in it. We can get tax cuts and fight regulation and Obamacare but not until you get back to the silent fringe.”_ ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/696 "2020-11-22T18:05:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Sometimes people need to be told how to think, or at least influenced to that end, and that is what I think leaving the GOP might achieve. The “never Trump” contingent would be better off leaving and becoming independents and vowing never to vote Republican until the party goes virtually extinct. Or just starting a Conservative Party. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/697 "2020-11-22T18:06:57Z")
That’ll never happen. They want to be influential, and I get that. I think becoming an independent and waiting out the storm might be a practical option. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/698 "2020-11-22T18:09:49Z")
I think the important thing about Toomey’s statement is that, even though he’s from a swing state, he’s no moderate. He’s as doctrinaire conservative as they come. This _could_ open up the door for more establishment Rs to publicly recognize reality. Of course, he’s also previously announced that he will retire at the end of his term, so he doesn’t have to worry about a primary challenger. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/699 "2020-11-22T18:13:12Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Of course, he’s also previously announced that he will retire at the end of his term, so he doesn’t have to worry about a primary challenger. And circle gets the square! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/700 "2020-11-22T18:25:17Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Of course, he’s also previously announced that he will retire at the end of his term, so he doesn’t have to worry about a primary challenger. And this has been the pattern over the last 4 years: people finally get a spine…on their way through the exit. It’s like flipping off a pedestrian as you’re driving 90 mph past them - lots of courage that takes. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/701 "2020-11-22T18:38:26Z")
I commented to somebody (“on another network …”): > To the unfailingly loyal Trump supporters … I do have to ask: is there anybody – even a single soul on earth – who could disparage Trump and whose opinion you’d respect and whose name you wouldn’t (like Trump) tarnish ? If it were Ivanka, Eric, Mary, or Don Jr., you’d call them TINO – Trumps In Name Only. If it were Jared Kushner, you’d point out his religion. Melania ? She’d just be a ‘bitter, ungrateful [insert your favorite misogynistic pejorative here].’ You try and you try and you try to avoid comparisons to Germany in the mid-to-late 30’s, but … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=36)