# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1122 "2020-12-14T22:58:17Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Trump plans to name someone even more personally loyal to him than Barr was. Maybe Rudy Giuliani? This is my guess. Rudy as acting AG, and then Rudy will try to go after Joe Biden, using Hunter Biden, and filing DOJ lawsuits against states who didn’t vote Trump, etc. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1123 "2020-12-14T23:00:47Z")
No acting AG role for Rudy. Deputy AG Jeff Rosen will be serving as acting AG. > **[William Barr To Step Down As Attorney General Before Christmas](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/14/811276917/william-barr-to-steps-down-as-attorney-general)** > > Trump said he and Barr had a "very nice meeting" Monday and that their "relationship has been a very good one." Barr started out as a loyalist, but his relationship with the president frayed. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1124 "2020-12-14T23:16:37Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > This is my guess. Rudy as acting AG, and then Rudy will try to go after Joe Biden, using Hunter Biden, and filing DOJ lawsuits against states who didn’t vote Trump, etc. He can’t make Rudy Acting AG, he can only appoint someone who’s already serving in the Administration to serve as an acting secretary. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1125 "2020-12-14T23:25:30Z")
So Stephen Miller, then? Or Kayleigh? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1126 "2020-12-14T23:28:37Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > No acting AG role for Rudy. Deputy AG Jeff Rosen will be serving as acting AG. This more than anything makes me think this is just Trump lashing out at Barr for failing to him up on widespread voter fraud, and not some plot to launch some kind of last-minute strategy to overturn the election via the Department of Justice. Rosen’s a pretty establishment guy who has no particular personal loyalty to Trump. He’s unlikely to go along with anything outlandish. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1127 "2020-12-14T23:38:29Z")
Just checked Predictit odds. Trump still has a 7% chance of winning the election. If you were wondering how delusional these people are. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1128 "2020-12-15T01:29:08Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > This more than anything makes me think this is just Trump lashing out at Barr for failing to him up on widespread voter fraud Yep. There is no plan here. Just tRump pissing in his own pants and calling that a “win”. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1129 "2020-12-15T01:30:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yep. There is no plan here. Just tRump pissing in his own pants and calling that a “win”. - That _is_ a win. No one else gets wet. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1130 "2020-12-15T01:40:19Z")
I fear we may be in for a protracted guerilla war, sort of like the FARC. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1131 "2020-12-15T01:43:36Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > No acting AG role for Rudy. But he could be a special counsel. Very “special”… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1132 "2020-12-15T04:55:38Z")
More terrorism: > **[Elections official threatened amid Trump loss anger](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-olympia-washington-elections-c6b6254625eb261e777c5d403e0ca896)** > > OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — The Washington Secretary of State’s Office has reported a threat made against a worker as efforts continue to intimidate elections officials and politicians for administering the vote that led to President Donald Trump’s loss... ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1133 "2020-12-15T05:23:18Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > > [@JohnT](#): > > > > Barr suffers the ultimate sacrifice: being fired by tweet > > I wonder what the point of firing Barr is at this point. > SNIP Nothing more than to reinforce for all the MAGAts and MAGAt Congresscritters exactly what happens when you don’t bow and kiss the ring at all times. Once Barr contradicted DJT about election fraud it was simply a matter of time. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1134 "2020-12-15T05:31:20Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Just checked Predictit odds. Trump still has a 7% chance of winning the election. Out of interest, Betfair has a market up for 2024. Expressed as odds against: 4 Biden 5 Harris 8 Trump 10 Haley 12 AOC 14 Trump Jr 14 Pence 18 Ivanka 22 O’Rourke 22 Buttgeig 25 Ryan 25 Holder 33 Obama (M!) 33 Sanders 33 Winfrey 33 Cotton 33 Rubio 33 Warren 40 bar these ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1135 "2020-12-15T05:54:41Z")
I would be curious to see what Betfair odds were for the same moment in 2016 about the 2020 market. I’m quite certain the list of likely contenders had nothing to do with who actually ran. Same for this list. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1136 "2020-12-15T06:00:45Z")
Sure, but do we know any better than Betfair? There may be very high uncertainty, but do any of the probabilities look wildly wrong given what little we do know today? I’ve only just started digesting it, I’m not sure. I’d certainly lay AOC at 12/1. It think for 2024 she’s much longer odds than that. Is Oprah Winfrey seen as a serious possibility? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1137 "2020-12-15T12:50:18Z")
I think AOC would have some issues running in 2024 because in some states in the primary she’ll have to be 35 at the time of the primary in order to get on the ballot, and she won’t turn 35 until after all of the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1138 "2020-12-15T13:58:18Z")
Can you share which states have this requirement? I’m not aware of any, and arguably it would be unconstitutional in that it adds an additional requirement to be elected President beyond what’s in the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1139 "2020-12-15T14:00:19Z")
I’m not sure, to be honest I heard it second hand. I’ll look it up. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1140 "2020-12-15T14:11:23Z")
Can’t find anything for now. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1141 "2020-12-15T14:12:35Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Out of interest, Betfair has a market up for 2024. Expressed as odds against: > > 4 Biden > 5 Harris > 8 Trump > 10 Haley > 12 AOC > 14 Trump Jr > 14 Pence > 18 Ivanka > 22 O’Rourke > 22 Buttgeig > 25 Ryan > 25 Holder > 33 Obama (M!) > 33 Sanders > 33 Winfrey > 33 Cotton > 33 Rubio > 33 Warren > 40 bar these Am I correct in assuming these are traditional odds, and that Biden, for example, would pay $4 for a $1 bet, and that the field is paying 40 to 1? If so, these odds simultaneously give me reason for hope and to be very afraid. The Trump family, Haley, and Pence are the only Republicans at lower than 25 to 1? That’s pretty chilling. Nikki Haley and Paul Ryan as the only two Republicans on that list that are neither crazy or evil is also scary. Seeing Biden and Harris at the top is at least something. As a side note, for anyone who knows odds making, how would the Biden and Harris odds work out if they were to be combined? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=58)