# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1242 "2020-12-18T15:27:17Z")
At a time when the US sustained one of its worst-ever hacks – maybe _the_ worst ever. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1243 "2020-12-18T15:32:48Z")
If this is not “providing aid to the enemy,” I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1244 "2020-12-18T15:33:50Z")
I’m telling you: in their minds, they do not share the same country as we do. It is _their_ country, and we are occupiers who have taken power from them. There is no way to process this sort of grievance in a way that is recognizably “healthy.” The more they think and feel aggrieved, the more addicted to this grievance they will become, and the more addicted to this grievance they become, the more intense these feelings of grievance will be. And I guarantee you: from this growing sense of grievance will grow a thirst for “revenge,” a need to settle the score. They will fantasize about violence, and eventually, they will commit violent acts. As I told you all a while ago, this is not the Red Scare, this is the Lost Cause. This isn’t the War on Terror, this is the Back Stab Myth. We’re going back millions of years in our evolutionary history. They’re not afraid of an unseen lurking threat; they are actively pursuing raiders from an enemy tribe that stole something from them. The former is defensive; the latter is offensive, a desire to vanquish. People need to understand the lethal psychology that is at play here if you want to understand what we’re up against. This is not going to end cleanly. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1245 "2020-12-18T15:36:36Z")
I’d like to voice a particularly melodramatic What The F\*\*\*about the following two quotes: > “We had fewer than two dozen remaining meetings on the schedule today and next week,” the official said, adding that "the DoD staff working the meetings were overwhelmed by the number of meetings. > These same senior leaders needed to do their day jobs and were being consumed by transition activities. … With the holidays we are taking a knee for two weeks. We are still committed to a productive transition. We’re tired. Let’s pick up national security again right after the holidays, huh ? Wow. Just … Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1246 "2020-12-18T16:06:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The more they think and feel aggrieved, the more addicted to this grievance they will become, and the more addicted to this grievance they become, the more intense these feelings of grievance will be. And I guarantee you: from this growing sense of grievance will grow a thirst for “revenge,” a need to settle the score. They will fantasize about violence, and eventually, **they will commit violent acts.** (my bold) I also fear this is inevitable. With luck it will only be a lone wingnut opening fire in the general direction of Biden or Harris. But it wouldn’t take much coordination to unleash far worse. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1247 "2020-12-18T16:28:51Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > (my bold) I also fear this is inevitable. With luck it will only be a lone wingnut opening fire in the general direction of Biden or Harris. But it wouldn’t take much coordination to unleash far worse. Trump supporters can’t organize a ‘boat parade’ without sinking other boats. There is plenty of shit, and plenty of fans though. Mostly fans of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1248 "2020-12-18T16:30:18Z")
We’ve had lone wingnuts committing violent acts already; not against Biden or Harris, but it’s equally scary in my view. Trump says the election was stolen and millions immediately believe it and thousands of the most crazy go out and intimidate people, draw guns on them, engage in kidnapping plots etc. We’re at the point where if Trump told his supporters to take to the streets and “2nd amendment”, then at least a few hundred will. I don’t think we should be complacent because Trump lost the election; the crazy is not over yet. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1249 "2020-12-18T16:31:02Z")
Someone needs to seriously ask Chris Miller if the order to stop the briefings came directly from Putin. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1250 "2020-12-18T16:35:53Z")
When people think that there’s as much incontrovertible evidence: - That Barack Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim, and - That the 2020 election was rigged in favor of Biden/Harris As there is of the ‘collusion’ and Obstruction by Trump, et al … Finding common ground from which to begin thoughtful discussion is just utterly fucked from the get-go. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1251 "2020-12-18T16:36:31Z")
They’re ‘taking a knee‘, what the…is that supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1252 "2020-12-18T16:36:38Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > We’re tired. Let’s pick up national security again right after the holidays, huh ? > > Wow. Just … Wow. Nice to know that they ‘take a knee’ over the holidays. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1253 "2020-12-18T16:36:59Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > We’re tired. Let’s pick up national security again right after the holidays, huh ? > > Wow. Just … Wow. This backlog of meeting would be such a fucking problem if they had started, say, November 4th 😡 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1254 "2020-12-18T16:38:54Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > This backlog of meeting would be such a fucking problem if they had started, say, November 4th 😡 Hey, Thanksgiving was coming up. Too busy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1255 "2020-12-18T16:39:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > At a time when the US sustained one of its worst-ever hacks – maybe _the_ worst ever I don’t think there is a coincidence between the massive hacks on government servers and the halting of Biden transition briefings. I would not be at all surprised to find that the hacks were made possible by serious security breaches on the part of Trump administration officials (Jared?) who, due to negligence or worse, allowed these to happen. Trump has told his new pet Pentagon Chief to hush this up. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1256 "2020-12-18T16:42:26Z")
Well, not directly. He has people for that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1257 "2020-12-18T16:44:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I don’t think there is a coincidence between the massive hacks on government servers and the halting of Biden transition briefings. I would not be at all surprised to find that the hacks were made possible by serious security breaches on the part of Trump administration officials (Jared?) who, due to negligence or worse, allowed these to happen. > > Trump has told his new pet Pentagon Chief to hush this up. Good point Euphonious\_Polemic. I’m not a CT’r, but sheesss, when it walks like a duck… ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1258 "2020-12-18T16:47:56Z")
And lets not forget this - [President Donald Trump announced Tuesday on Twitter that he has “terminated” top U.S. cybersecurity official Christopher Krebs. In a pair of tweets, Trump said that Krebs gave a “highly inaccurate” statement about the security of the 2020 presidential election. Krebs, who heads the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, is the latest Trump administration official to depart on the heels of the election.](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/trump-says-us-cybersecurity-chief-chris-krebs-has-been-terminated.html) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1259 "2020-12-18T17:03:26Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > (my bold) I also fear this is inevitable. With luck it will only be a lone wingnut opening fire in the general direction of Biden or Harris. But it wouldn’t take much coordination to unleash far worse. > > Trump supporters can’t organize a ‘boat parade’ without sinking other boats. There is plenty of shit, and plenty of fans though. Mostly fans of shit. Three wingnuts managed to kill 168 people in Oklahoma City without the benefit of social networking to plan and recruit other conspirators. Many MAGAts may be idiots, but a few smarts ones can now mobilize those idiots into some real trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1260 "2020-12-18T17:03:32Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > They’re ‘taking a knee‘, what the…is that supposed to mean? I’ll tell you what taking a knee means. It means they’re disrespecting the flag! It means they’re spitting on the service of our brave men and women in uniform! If you can’t stand for the national anthem you have no business on the field! I think I got that right. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1261 "2020-12-18T17:11:24Z")
Now that the coup is reaching the Pentagon, let’s remember the initial movements which led me to start this thread: [https://twitter.com/rabrowne75/status/1326284851268489217?s=19](https://twitter.com/rabrowne75/status/1326284851268489217?s=19) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=64)