# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1563 "2020-12-25T18:34:15Z")
That plus who cares what Bolton thinks? The time for him to do something was when he was still in the administration. Coward just like the rest of the ones who just resigned instead of insisting on DOING SOMETHING when they had the chance. All during this whole election saga, never once did I wonder what Bolton thinks about it. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1564 "2020-12-25T19:26:43Z")
> **[Sidney Powell’s Hidden ‘Kraken’ Witness Is a Pro-Trump Podcaster Once Sued...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/sidney-powells-hidden-election-fraud-witness-is-terpsichore-maras-lindeman-a-podcaster-sued-for-fraud-wapo?ref=home)** > > North Dakota prosecutors said Terpsichore Maras-Lindeman used funds raised for homeless shelters and veterans’ graves for meals at McDonald’s instead. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1565 "2020-12-25T20:44:03Z")
The company that owns the Dominion voting machines is also suing her ass, and has indicated that she must save any communications between her and Republicans, as well as any communication that indicates that anyone paid her for her testimony. And the letter indicated that although she purported to be an important person in the company, she was in fact hired by a temp agency to clean the screens for a day. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1566 "2020-12-25T21:08:53Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And the letter indicated that although she purported to be an important person in the company, she was in fact hired by a temp agency to clean the screens for a day. I love the letter the Dominion lawyers sent to Mellissa Carone (the person you are talking about): > “We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks.” [SOURCE](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dominion-attorneys-send-brutal-letter-to-trump-campaigns-so-called-star-witness-mellissa-carone/) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1567 "2020-12-25T21:23:13Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Sidney Powell’s Hidden ‘Kraken’ Witness Is a Pro-Trump Podcaster Once Sued For Fraud You couldn’t make it up. Powell is so clueless that the person she recruited to lie for her is not just a criminal, it’s like she’s an exaggerated caricature of a villain. It wasn’t like this “witness” just cheated a bit on her taxes or something. She stole money meant for _homeless shelters and veterans’ graves_. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1568 "2020-12-25T22:13:46Z")
If this were in a script for a hallmark movie, it would be rejected for being too unrealistic ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1569 "2020-12-25T23:58:13Z")
I’m looking for some kind of metaphor that’s the Bizarro version of “The cream rises to the top.” Maybe “The sludge at the sewage farm sinks to the bottom. Where it all sticks together. And to Trump.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1570 "2020-12-26T04:43:26Z")
She might as well be wearing a black mask that covers her eye area and a big bag with $$ on it. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1571 "2020-12-26T11:07:15Z")
Today’s _Non Sequitur_ is so perfectly on point: > **[Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for December 26, 2020 | GoComics.com](https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2020/12/26)** > > December 26, 2020 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1572 "2020-12-26T16:43:56Z")
If you’d pinned your hopes on a military coup, one would imagine you’d make sure the troops got paid. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1573 "2020-12-26T16:55:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > If this were in a script for a hallmark movie, it would be rejected for being too unrealistic > _“Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.”_ ― Mark Twain ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1574 "2020-12-26T17:12:58Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’m looking for some kind of metaphor that’s the Bizarro version of “The cream rises to the top.” “Cream is not the only thing that floats,” is a common refrain I hear. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1575 "2020-12-26T17:22:29Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > “Cream is not the only thing that floats,” is a common refrain I hear. Or “The really big chunks float highest.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1576 "2020-12-26T17:32:02Z")
That’s good shit! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1577 "2020-12-26T17:38:37Z")
Yeah, but in this case we’re talking about the depths to which all these folks are sinking. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1578 "2020-12-26T17:50:01Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Coming from a Westminster-based country, it is utterly mind-boggling to imagine that the Opposition wouldn’t be able to bring motions to the floor and force the Government to vote on them. As a practical matter, though, at least in Canada, such motions always fail unless they’re symbolic stuff that doesn’t really have anything to do with governance. An opposition bill can’t even propose the expenditure of money (unless they get a minister to approve it, which effectively means it isn’t really a private member’s bill anymore.) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1579 "2020-12-26T17:57:30Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > North Dakota prosecutors said Terpsichore Maras-Lindeman Oh come on, that HAS to be made up. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1580 "2020-12-26T18:16:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > > [@Gorsnak](#): > > > > Coming from a Westminster-based country, it is utterly mind-boggling to imagine that the Opposition wouldn’t be able to bring motions to the floor and force the Government to vote on them. > > As a practical matter, though, at least in Canada, such motions always fail unless they’re symbolic stuff that doesn’t really have anything to do with governance. An opposition bill can’t even propose the expenditure of money (unless they get a minister to approve it, which effectively means it isn’t really a private member’s bill anymore.) True, but the opposition can force the goverment MPs to place their votes. The Liberal backbencher from North Bumfuck Harbour, NF can’t say to his constituents, “I share your outrage over the corruption seen over the WE Charity scandal and I think Parliament should force an investigation into it” while knowing full well that his party leaders will protect him from ever having to vote on that matter. No, the Tories can and will force a vote on the matter, and the Liberal backbencher will have to vote the party line. Or actually stand up and rebel against party leadership, which will have consequences. Meanwhile, we see that various GOP senators can _say_ all kinds of things knowing full well that they’ll never have to place a vote to back it up, because Mitch won’t ever let that come up for a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1581 "2020-12-26T19:02:03Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’m looking for some kind of metaphor that’s the Bizarro version of “The cream rises to the top.” “Scum always rises to the top.” Which is 100% true, by definition: Scum : a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1582 "2020-12-26T19:10:13Z")
Good one; thank you. But the point again is a metaphor talking about the bad stuff sinking to the bottom, to ever greater depths of badness. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=80)