# The American Coup: 11.9.2020 - **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182 "2020-11-09T23:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1823 "2021-01-03T14:56:56Z")
> [@Author\_Balk](#): > > Since we have made “unprecedented allegations of voter fraud, violations and lax enforcement of election law, and other voting irregularities” and since a lot of people have believed it, now we have a problem with credibility of the elections. So, now we need to challenge it. > > Am I interpreting that correctly? Well, the clear conclusion for me is that Cruz is 100% sure that no election fraud took place. The wording is very careful to not allege even one fraudulent vote. There is no piece of data that could refute what Cruz has claimed as all he’s claimed is someone cried wolf and others took it seriously. As to the why, I agree with the analysis…in a parallel thread, I can’t find right now: Cruz is hoping he can ultimately win over the Trumpists and win the white house in 2024. But, having anti-charisma (negisma?) means that’s not gonna happen. He’ll end up in the same basket as Guiliani eventually. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1824 "2021-01-03T15:06:28Z")
… with all the other deplorables? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1825 "2021-01-03T15:14:03Z")
That’s where Cruz is now. I feel Guiliani is somehow in a lower, filthier basket. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1826 "2021-01-03T15:28:13Z")
I guess the 2024 Republican Presidential hopeful lineup is defined by leading a 2020 election coup attempt as a qualifier. Watch - anyone that tries to run in 2024 that wasn’t either the leader or key part of a coup attempt will be ridiculed by the MAGA/Qanon cultists. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1827 "2021-01-03T15:31:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > In the minds of Republican voters, that’s three major elections that Democrats have “stolen” from Republicans. Democrats will have “stolen” the presidency and “stolen” control of the senate, too. This isn’t something that talk radio, Breitbart, OANN, and Fox are just going to move on past; the “they stole it” narrative could potentially cripple politics. It will color every bill, every executive order, every resolution that Democrats try to pass, every nomination they try to get through the senate. I struggle to understand how American democracy will survive. You can’t have a democratic republic unless it is almost universally agreed to have one. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1828 "2021-01-03T15:40:25Z")
The president is currently really pushing this January 6th rally in DC this morning. He clearly wants violence. I left the Republican party awhile back, but I never imagined they would get this bad. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1829 "2021-01-03T15:41:19Z")
I think Ted Cruz’s statement is like that definition of chutzpah – killing your parents and asking for mercy because you’re an orphan. “We’ve made lots of allegations of fraud and abuse. Look at all the allegations! These allegations should require some follow-up.” “We’ve installed a huge smoke machine. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. There must be a fire, because look at all the smoke!” @Deeg – this is a existential threat to American democracy. These Republicans, 11 in the Senate so far and over 100 in the House, are akin to aligning with the Japanese government after Pearl Harbor, aligning with Al Qaeda after September 11th. They are attacking the core of our democracy – peaceful transition of power after an election. I don’t know how any patriot can consider themselves American after these moves. They are probably doomed to fail this time, but if the Republicans had a majority in the House, they may have succeeded. You’re downplaying truly awful, anti-American behavior by these elected Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1830 "2021-01-03T15:44:09Z")
# Trade Adviser Peter Navarro Astoundingly Claims Inauguration Day Can Be Postponed > The Constitution clearly states that Inauguration Day is Jan. 20, and [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump)and Pence’s terms end at noon that day… > > If an investigation continues past Jan. 20, the inauguration will simply have to be put off, Navarro said. > **[Trade Adviser Peter Navarro Astoundingly Claims Inauguration Day Can Be...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/peter-navarro-mike-pence-change-inauguration-day-063150649.html)** > > "Oh! OK," said Jeanine Pirro when Navarro lied to her on Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1831 "2021-01-03T15:47:28Z")
The Republican party is a party of billionaires who are angry that there is political opposition to oligarchy (_How dare these little people ask for equality?!_), and they’re a party that uses the displacement that many of their policies have caused to demonize the opposition (_We’d give you, White Man, a job, a house - whatever you want - if we weren’t forced by the liberals to give your goods to less deserving brown people_). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1832 "2021-01-03T15:48:51Z")
Sounds to me like an indirect call for a declaration of emergency and using the military to physically block access to the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1833 "2021-01-03T16:07:48Z")
Today would be a good day for surviving former Republican presidents and vice presidents to maybe say something. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1834 "2021-01-03T16:14:56Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Now we’ve shifted from Lin Wood to the GOP in general. I’ve said that the GOP shouldn’t be challenging the vote. What I’ve pushed back on is that _ **I don’t believe the Republican leadership is behind this.** _ I also don’t believe the intent is to overturn the vote. We can differ over whether they have tried hard enough to shut this down. Then why the fuck isn’t McConnell threatening to strip committee chairmanships from these assholes? Silence is assent. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1835 "2021-01-03T16:18:08Z")
The general consensus seems to be that the Republicans who are supporting this coup, are doing so because they know it will fail. Are we really so sure that these folks would not be supporting this if they thought it could succeed? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1836 "2021-01-03T16:18:59Z")
They should have said something a long, long time ago. They’ve been clinging to the idea that the Republican party can be a legacy party again at some point, but beyond that, there’s really nowhere else for these aristocrats to go – they’re not going to become democrats, and being independent strips them of party influence and access. So they’re stuck on that Titanic until sinks to the bottom of the ocean. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1837 "2021-01-03T16:21:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Are we really so sure that these folks would not be supporting this if they thought it could succeed? To my point above. If not for the accident of happenstance that the Dems control the House, Donald Trump would be assured of a 2nd term despite having lost the popular and electoral vote counts. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1838 "2021-01-03T16:24:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 1. Why are you replying to _me_ ? **Mike\_Mabes** mistook you for **Opal**. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1839 "2021-01-03T16:26:20Z")
I think what Deeg means is that, this isn’t McConnell’s idea, and I agree that it isn’t, but so what? It wasn’t originally Von Hindenburg’s idea to empower Nazis and make Adolf Hitler the Chancellor of Germany, either, but he went along with it, thinking that it would be a way to ensure that he has influence over the country. The best laid plans… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1840 "2021-01-03T16:27:17Z")
This is almost certainly true. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1841 "2021-01-03T16:32:55Z")
Navarro is right, but not in the way that he wants to be. If the shenanigans in Congress mean that the vote-count continues past January 20, with each state slate being challenged, perhaps by different pairs of Representatives and Senators, then January 20 rolls around and there’s not been a final decision. However, that would be a case where “neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified”. Trump and Pence’s terms come to an end: Twentieth Amendment, s. 1. Speaker Pelosi becomes acting President under the 20th Amendment, s. 3, while the Senate pro tem leader replaces former Vice-President Pence in presiding over the vote count. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/1842 "2021-01-03T17:02:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The president is currently really pushing this January 6th rally in DC this morning. He clearly wants violence. I left the Republican party awhile back, but I never imagined they would get this bad. I note that apparently there is a “March for Trump” scheduled for today at noon in…wait for it…Bowling Green, KY. Maybe Kellyanne Conway was ahead of her time after all… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182.md?page=93)