# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/181 "2021-02-02T23:54:44Z")
@JohnT, well, Newsmax does have the threat of a Dominion suit against them, so I guess they’ve been told by management to stick a fork in that item of insanity. Wonder where Lindell will show up next…OANN still broadcasting? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/182 "2021-02-02T23:57:32Z")
Just remember the important thing: they’re not finished. Not by a long-shot. [https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1356636614357884932](https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1356636614357884932) They’re going to double down on voter suppression. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/183 "2021-02-03T00:07:41Z")
I don’t even think this was about his management style; he was desperate to find some people to pitch his great lie and his bullpen was nearly empty. The kook factory is all he had left. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/184 "2021-02-03T00:33:33Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > MyPillow guy goes on Newsmax My Pillow guy desperately needs someone to put a pillow across his yap to shut him up. Dude is apparently used to talking and talking and talking over top of people and never being called on his lying bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/185 "2021-02-03T00:38:43Z")
New definition of “Cancel Culture” for some: “They won’t let me tell lies about another company because of the laws on defamation” He just don’t get it. He does not get that telling lies about a company and damaging them financially due to the lies is not going to go well for him. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/186 "2021-02-03T00:38:59Z")
MyPillow (soon to be DominionsPillow) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/187 "2021-02-03T01:10:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > MyPillow (soon to be DominionsPillow), Ha! 😀 Maybe we can look forward to Dominion Tower in New York or Dominion-a-Lago in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/188 "2021-02-03T01:18:07Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > …or Dominion-a-Lago in Florida. The first compound to have a security system where you pull up to the gate and enter your security code… By filling in little bubbles with a number two pencil. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/189 "2021-02-03T01:34:27Z")
That’ll shut him up. Take the money away from him, and gone is the illusion that anyone’s remotely interested in what he has to say. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/190 "2021-02-03T01:44:27Z")
This is still my favorite. Narrated by [Ray Liotta.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrmtsaOEGo8&ab_channel=sqwuade) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/191 "2021-02-03T20:37:54Z")
A really good impression of Ray Liotta. > ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/192 "2021-02-03T20:55:02Z")
Idunno where this one best belongs but it was a pretty insightful, and oh-so-slightly frightening, conversation with a ‘recovered’ QAnon supporter: > **[She was stunned by Biden's inauguration. How this South Carolina mom escaped...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/tech/qanon-mom-former-believer/index.html)** > > Ashley Vanderbilt says her four-year-old daughter Emmerson knew "something was wrong with her mom." ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/193 "2021-02-05T17:36:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And we see that when we watch the videos: listening to their words, they’re speaking rubbish, nonsense. “This is our house.” “Defend your liberty, defend the Constitution.” Whose House? Whose liberty? Whose Constitution? Well, _theirs_ obviously. We are taught in civics that the government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people. That Congress is an agent to serve the US population. That taxpayer funded buildings belong to all us citizens. They are just taking those messages to heart. They aren’t explicitly pushing a white agenda with those particular words. No doubt there were a ton of racists in the crowd - with Proud Boys and Boogaloo Boys and whatever other boy bands running around. But not everyone was explicitly, intentionally racist. Many of them see themselves as _the defenders of democracy_ from the stolen election. Yes, they bought the big lie and continue to believe it. So when they truly believe (erroneously but sincerely) that the election was rigged and nobody actually looking at the evidence, they feel justified in taking the only measure left - outright protest taken to physical action against the “conspirators” in Congress. And it’s true, worship of the Founding Fathers and the Revolution plays a part in their beliefs. Especially the Second Amendment parts about justifying the need for personal firearms based on the ability to protect ourselves from tyranny. That’s not just rubbish they spew to cover their desire for guns, they firmly believe it. They hold in their minds that they are the ultimate bottom line for defending America. It just happens to be the America of them that they want to defend. Of course, the sane of us realize that just because the Capitol property is federal taxpayer owned property that does not mean we have free unfettered access to any and all parts at any time. The sane among us realize that security measures are reasonable, and controlled access fully within the law. That protests can be large and loud and held in close proximity to the grounds without crossing barricades and overrunning police lines and assaulting officers and breaking doors and windows and destroying property to get access. Being heard does not mean you get to march into Congress in session and lecture/berate the people as they do their job. And certainly cries of threats of violence and execution are far beyond rhetoric, especially during the heat of the moment, and have to be taken seriously and treated as real and punished accordingly. > [@asahi](#): > > A tangential thought or reaction to this is that maybe, just maybe, as ‘great’ as our Founding Fathers were, maybe now would be time for a serious rethink about giving them undue reverence. I’m done with Declaration, Revolution, and Constitution worship – let bygone eras be gone. The Framers were useful, but I don’t want to hear what kind of country the Framers wanted - who gives a shit? They wanted, and in fact had, slaves. We decided that was wrong. They stole land that wasn’t theirs. We know that this is wrong. The Framers wrote and ratified a Constitution with a festering flaw so great that it took 4 years and 600,000 American lives to fix. I don’t care what the Founding Fathers wanted. We should care about what it will take to make this country more stable and productive, and it’s not white supremacy. Yes, we give them due reverence when we consider what they started with and what they claimed as their values. But we need to be open-eyed about how they didn’t live up to the values they espoused. Slavery being item number one on that downfall list, but plenty of others from equal rights for women to equality for other racial groups and identity groups. The understanding of the Constitution need to be less about what the Framers thought and more about what Liberty and Equality mean in a pluralistic modern society. Just like the Framers proclaim “Freedom of Religion” but then advocate various versions of Christianity or Christian-themed Deism. “Ceremonial Religious elements” my ass. The Founding Fathers were far from perfect. They gave us a pretty good tool for organizing our government, but it isn’t perfect, either, which is why it includes provisions for making changes. We need sincere, thoughtful examination as a country on what the values we as a nation seem to proclaim actually mean in practice. And if that means that certain groups who have previously sustained greater privileges lose some of those, well, that’s fairness, equality, and justice catching up. Us white folks need to be prepared to let some other folks in on the good parts. > [@JaneDoe42](#): > > I feel the station owner is also responsible, Lopez has done this sort of stuff often and should have been stopped. Without a doubt. She’s posted stuff like that before, and the owner did nothing about it. That says he agrees. Good for U-Haul. Protect your brand. You’ll be fine without shitstain gas station as a rental facility. > [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > While we’re talking fallout, Wired has an article (I’m not going to link to it) about a site that hacked into Parler and found some 800+ videos posted of what happened in Washington on January 6th. “thousands of images of unmasked faces, many of whom participated in the Capitol riot.” They say they have isolated every single face in those videos and de-duplicated them, and are now publishing them online. > > No doubt many of those folks are guilty as hell. But almost certainly not all of them are. What happens when they are identified? Are they all given careful protection of their rights until they are proved guilty of something? Or do they lose their jobs, and maybe get arrested, because they might have been in the area, or they went along for a while but didn’t enter the Capitol? I don’t like it. I think it’s awesome someone hacked Parlor and preserved all their content and is making it publicly available and searchable. As for protecting their rights, certainly they should be provided due process for any legal actions against them - including civil ones. However, they were posting on Parlor - they should be accountable for their words and deeds there, too. If you mean people in videos that others posted and shared, well, yes, that should be given consideration of what the video actually shows them doing. Being present in Washington, D.C, is not a crime. Being present inside the barricades is. Being inside the Capitol building is worse. Carrying a Pro-Trump sign is one thing. Carrying a Confederate Flag or banner proclaiming “Hang Mike Pence” is another. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > He said long before he was elected _gag_ president that his way of managing was to create chaos and conflict, to pit staff members against each other, and see what happens. It’s like gladiatorial conflict, except messier and not confined to an arena. Anyone who ever watched “The Apprentice” should know that by direct observation. Yeah, it’s a TV show and edited to make a story and blah blah blah. He had no consistent rationale for his firing decisions from week to week. One week he would fire the team leader for being an ineffective leader, the next he would fire the incompetent worker that wasn’t assigned any jobs for not contributing. He’d keep the pretty woman who couldn’t do much far longer than justified on merits. Or the clown that spouted bizarre nuttitude. Whatever made for “good TV”. It all boiled down to who spun the best story in the boardroom. It wasn’t about who did what, it’s about who could blame somebody else the best. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/194 "2021-02-05T17:50:27Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So totally worth a view… MyPillow guy goes on Newsmax and insists on talking Dominion, requiring one of the two Newsmax hosts to _read a legal disclamer_ TWICE during this two minute segment: Ha ha ha! So they invite him on to talk about “cancel culture” and losing his Twitter account, and he immediately starts saying it’s because he has all the evidence of Dominion voter fraud. So the Newsmax host overtalks him and reads a disclaimer that the station in no way agrees with those claims about Dominion, and tries to steer the talk back to cancel culture, i.e. he’s being silenced rather than what his claims are. But Lindell is having none of that, continuing to spout off. So the anchor asks the producer to cut off Lindell, and when that doesn’t happen, **he gets up and walks off the set**. Beautiful! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/195 "2021-02-05T18:42:29Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Anyone who ever watched “The Apprentice” should know that by direct observation. I wouldn’t have been caught dead watching that. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/196 "2021-02-05T19:53:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I wouldn’t have been caught dead watching that I would argue that we have just spent the past five years watching it on the grandest stage possible. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/197 "2021-02-05T20:04:22Z")
True. I’ve certainly watched, but I’m proud to say that that last time I heard trump’s voice for more than a few seconds was when he debated Hillary before the 2016 election. I never watch TV news, and if his voice came on the radio, I quickly turned it off. But yeah, I and the rest of the world watched the shitshow that was his so-called administration. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/198 "2021-02-05T20:17:49Z")
Thank you for the Cool Girl discussion because I was drawn to them like a fly to flypaper, even though they were all in for Nixon. At least they believed in something ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/199 "2021-02-05T22:28:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I wouldn’t have been caught dead watching that. I wasn’t interested in the show for a long time. Then one day the TV was on that channel and the show came on and I was busy so I didn’t change the TV, and I saw a couple of celebrities and wondered what they were doing. BOOM! I was hooked for a while. It was a fascinating study in Trump. He definitely lives up to the adage that familiarity breeds contempt. Just one example of the idiocy that presaged his entire Presidency. One season had Meatloaf as a contestant. Early on Trump holds the episode kickoff and the challenge has something to do with hair care products (I believe it was a hairdryer with a touch screen for settings). Trump makes some remark about his own hair and how he doesn’t think it looks that bad, does it? You see the whole line of contestants staring back like deer in the headlights on how to respond. Especially Meatloaf. Sadly, some percentage of the population has seen that show _and_ voted for him - twice. [mind boggled] ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/200 "2021-02-12T14:05:04Z")
Haley recently chimed in from her opulent inpatient political rehab facility where she poll-tested Version 1.0 of her upcoming stump speech: > **[Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: ‘We shouldn’t have followed him’](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him/)** > > Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley issued stunning remarks breaking with former President Trump, telling Politico in an interview published Friday that she believes … Journalists reported still seeing “effectively zero daylight between her and the disgraced former President.” [/s] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=11)