# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/241 "2021-02-19T02:11:37Z")
When all this happened, I started out very angry, ready for anyone and everyone who set foot on Capitol grounds to face dire sanctions. Since then, I’ve had a chance to mellow a little bit, and I’ve become aware of the situation with BLM protests, where for instance the Seattle DA is not prosecuting folks for simple tresspassing or failure to obey an officer when that charge was just being present past curfew. That got me thinking a little, and I guess I’m coming around to the idea of a little parity. I’m willing to give slack to protestors who came on the grounds late, maybe stepping over damaged barricades, but not engaging in any violence or entering the building. However, anyone damaging property or chanting “Hang Mike Pence” or trashing news equipment or taking about going back to their hometown and continuing the pressure or whatever, all of them need to face consequences. Anyone wearing tac gear is highly suspect in my mind. Anyone inside the building should be charged. Does that sound reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/242 "2021-02-19T02:18:36Z")
It’s reasonable but not something I’d agree with completely. Being on the streets is different from being on federal property. The only defense I can see is if you were physically swept into the Capitol building by a rush of people, or can plead for clemency because you were documenting it as a journalist. If you reverse the scenario, people on the streets outside the Capitol while it was being broken into, versus someone who was inside a building being looted but not _proven_ to taking part in it themselves, I’d feel the same: go easier on the person who wasn’t inside the building. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/243 "2021-02-19T11:01:24Z")
I of course agree; someone who figuratively crosses a line by, well, _literally_ crossing that line shouldn’t avoid consequences just because nothing extra can be proven; I don’t see why we _need_ anything extra to be proven; absent that _physically-swept-along_ defense or the like, I’d be fine with sentencing them to hard labor, possibly on barriers to keep out future would-be invaders. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/244 "2021-02-19T13:17:55Z")
It was an inside job. > **[6 Capitol Police officers suspended, 29 others being investigated for alleged...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/18/politics/capitol-police-officers-suspended/index.html)** > > Six US Capitol Police officers have been suspended with pay, and 29 others have been placed under investigation, for their actions in the January 6 riot, a department spokesman said Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/245 "2021-02-19T13:57:57Z")
For those who enjoy reading legal documents, here’s the [complaint against Capitol invader Christian Secor](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1367791/download). Most of it is fairly unsurprising, although this paragraph was unexpectedly entertaining: > [@](#): > > On January 25, 2021, the FBI Los Angeles Field Office interviewed a fifth individual, who personally knows SECOR. The tipster was shown a picture (see Figure 15, below) and a video of SECOR on the floor of the Senate chamber at the U.S. Capitol, and confirmed his identity through their personal knowledge of SECOR’s appearance in or about January 2021. According to this individual, upon returning from Washington D.C., **SECOR moved back in with his mother in Costa Mesa, California. SECOR got rid of his phone and car and bragged that he would not be caught for his involvement at the U.S. Capitol**. [bolding mine] So - how’s that working out for you, Christian? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/246 "2021-02-19T14:15:23Z")
I think we’re prematurely pronouncing the coup dead. There are reports that another insurrection is planned for March 4 (the original date for inauguration), whence the True Believers that Donald will return to the presidency in glory to judge the living and the dead and his rule will never end. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/247 "2021-02-19T14:31:04Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > There are reports that another insurrection is planned for March 4 (the original date for inauguration), whence the True Believers that Donald will return to the presidency in glory to judge the living and the dead and his rule will never end. So any reports on what actions they plan to take to have that come to pass? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/248 "2021-02-19T14:45:22Z")
Well, it does look like [Donnie is already making a buck off of it.](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-trump-hotel-qanon-march-6-20210208-6ii55utmoffl5k32voig7wsmqi-story.html) The Qberts think something is going to happen: " The Trump International Hotel near the White House is eyeing a [big payday](https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-dc-hotel-hiking-rates-qanon-think-sworn-march-4-2021-2) on March 4, the date that some believers of the QAnon conspiracy theory will herald ex-President Donald Trump’s triumphant return to power, Forbes first reported. This unfounded belief, shared by the sovereign citizen movement, is based on a conspiracy theory that a law enacted in 1871 turned the U.S. [into a corporation](https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/qanon-sovereign-citizen/) and that every president since Ulysses S. Grant has been illegal. [Prior to 1937](https://www.vice.com/en/article/88akpx/qanon-thinks-trump-will-become-president-again-on-march-4), U.S. presidents were sworn into office in early March, hence the date’s significance to QAnon and the sovereign citizen movement." ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/249 "2021-02-19T15:05:31Z")
Here’s an interesting Politico article about the rift Trump is causing in a portion of the evangelical community. One problem in discussing Trump and evangelicals is that the evangelical community is not monolithic, and the various factions did not have the same motivations and rationalizations in their support for Trump. This article is about the Pentecostal/Charismatic evangelicals, whose assorted leaders claim to receive prophecies directly from God. And those prophecies have become a total clusterfuck post-Trump, with some leaders taking the “this was God’s will, he works in mysterious ways” angle regarding Trump’s historic loss, with others still claiming the fight isn’t over and Trump will be restored to the Presidency any minute now. And other leaders have been concerned about how the clusterfuck of conflicting prophecies will affect the highly profitable prophecy industry long term, and are even discussing forming a prophecy clearinghouse of sorts, a way to put a heavenly “seal of approval” on the prophecies they ~~make up~~ receive directly from God. A quality control committee, as it were, to make sure they can all continue to work together with consistency to fleece their flocks. > **[The Christian Prophets Who Say Trump Is Coming Again](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/18/how-christian-prophets-give-credence-to-trumps-election-fantasies-469598)** > > In the growing community of charismatic Christian prophecy, faith in Donald Trump’s imminent return to the White House is a new dividing line. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/250 "2021-02-19T15:47:37Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > and are even discussing forming a prophecy clearinghouse of sorts, a way to put a heavenly “seal of approval” on the prophecies they ~~make up~~ receive directly from God. “I’m God and I approve this message” would be something impressive. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/251 "2021-02-19T17:12:57Z")
Is James Earl Jones still alive to do the voice?\* I know Charlton Heston is dead. \*Just looked him up. He’s 90. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/252 "2021-02-19T17:13:36Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I’m willing to give slack to protestors who came on the grounds late, maybe stepping over damaged barricades, but not engaging in any violence or entering the building. However, anyone damaging property or chanting “Hang Mike Pence” or trashing news equipment or taking about going back to their hometown and continuing the pressure or whatever, all of them need to face consequences. Anyone wearing tac gear is highly suspect in my mind. Anyone inside the building should be charged. > > Does that sound reasonable? Yes more or less. The guys who just crossed the barricades and just yelled non violent slogans, etc are Ok. Those who broke into the building are not. Other are guilty of worse crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/253 "2021-02-19T18:33:15Z")
Need to closely watch the ones outside who may have provided tactical support without having stepped inside. Commanders don’t charge the frontlines. And I’m not talking just Trump. Anyone there is suspect but not everyone may have commited crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/254 "2021-02-20T05:16:50Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > and are even discussing forming a prophecy clearinghouse of sorts, a way to put a heavenly “seal of approval” on the prophecies they ~~make up~~ receive directly from God. > > “I’m God and I approve this message” would be something impressive.   God could make His prophecies a lot more credible if He would deliver them with secure 128-bit public key encryption technology, that only His select prophets could decrypt. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/255 "2021-02-20T05:35:10Z")
Yeah, but there’s always the risk that your prophet will be hacked. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/256 "2021-02-20T07:42:28Z")
[Deleted, pointless] ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/257 "2021-02-20T14:49:08Z")
[Not deleted, pointless] … Step 1: People need authoritarian pronouncements. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Prophet! ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/258 "2021-02-20T18:42:34Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Need to closely watch the ones outside who may have provided tactical support without having stepped inside. Oh, certainly. Those responsible should be caught, even if they didn’t go themselves. I’m only taking about leniency for simple trespass, only of the grounds not the building. Everything else is culpable. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/259 "2021-02-26T14:30:00Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Need to closely watch the ones outside who may have provided tactical support without having stepped inside. Commanders don’t charge the frontlines > [@Irishman](#): > > Oh, certainly. Those responsible should be caught, even if they didn’t go themselves. I would be willing to bet that, like the cowards they are, those who _do_ get arrested will drop a dime on those who merely instigated. Look at that guy who scampered back home and threatened to kill his two children if they ratted him out. [Cite.](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/23/teen-jackson-reffitt-capitol-riot-intv-full-cuomo-cpt-vpx.cnn) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/260 "2021-03-09T21:52:58Z")
The FBI has released new photos of the person suspected of having planted the bombs on 1/6. > **[New images released of suspect in pipe bombs found at RNC, DNC before Capitol...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-releases-images-dc-pipe-bomb-suspect/story?id=76341036)** > > The FBI is asking for the public's help to find the person who left pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC the night before the Jan. 6 Capitol riot in Washington. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=14)