# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/361 "2021-06-12T06:38:13Z")
Posted in the Controversial Law Enforcement thread > [@Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/1839): > ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/362 "2021-06-14T17:44:51Z")
Ex-congressman Dana Rohrabacher, R, whom House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said was being paid by Putin (along with Trump), was at the January 6 Insurrection. > ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/363 "2021-06-14T20:22:37Z")
Richard Barnett, the guy who took over Pelosi’s office, was interviewed on Russian TV, where he was identified as a “patriot” who was protesting the “stolen election”. > **[Capitol Rioter Who Raided Pelosi’s Office Makes Kremlin TV Debut Ahead of...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/capitol-rioter-who-raided-pelosis-office-makes-kremlin-tv-debut-ahead-of-putin-summit)** > > In the countdown to the summit between the two presidents, pro-Kremlin TV saw it fit to interview an infamous Capitol rioter and describe him as “an American patriot.” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/364 "2021-06-15T02:17:42Z")
I’ll be pissed if Biden doesn’t broach this on Wed. with the petty, insecure weasel. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/365 "2021-06-15T16:37:44Z")
Does Russia have elections any more? Time for a little tit-for-tat if they do. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/366 "2021-06-15T17:09:04Z")
They usually make sure inconvenient people aren’t candidates in the first place, by finding some reason to disqualify them, imprisoning them on trumped-up charges, or they just have unfortunate accidents. Mind, if it could be arranged that Ivan Nohopeski emerged a surprise winner, it might be interesting. For a day or two, anyway, until another unfortunate accident. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/367 "2021-06-15T17:22:34Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > I’ll be pissed if Biden doesn’t broach this on Wed. with the petty, insecure weasel. What’s he gonna say? “Why don’t you rein in your media?”? There is no way to bring this up with Putin that doesn’t play into Putin’s hands. It’ll just give him a chance to say that the US wants to interfere with free speech and free media in the very free and model democracy Russia. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/368 "2021-06-15T17:45:17Z")
I believe that Joe is too smart to play Putin’s game. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/369 "2021-06-15T20:33:02Z")
I get your sentiment. But, if you value democracy, meddling in anyone’s election (no matter how much they deserve it) is right out. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/370 "2021-06-15T21:12:05Z")
The USA’s media disinformation campaigns puts Russia to shame. And a lot of it comes from congress. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/371 "2021-06-15T22:14:05Z")
Insurrectionist thinks he’s running for New Hampshire state representative. Doesn’t realize that the woman he thinks he’s running against is a Congresswoman. > **[Alleged Capitol Rioter Jason Riddle Learns Mid-Interview He's Running for...](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/political-candidate-charged-in-capitol-riot-learns-mid-interview-hes-running-for-the-wrong-seat/)** > > Jason Riddle found out mid-interview the elected official he's running against serves in Congress and not in the state legislature. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/372 "2021-06-16T00:31:18Z")
> [@naita](#): > > What’s he gonna say? “Why don’t you rein in your media?”? > > There is no way to bring this up with Putin that doesn’t play into Putin’s hands. It’ll just give him a chance to say that the US wants to interfere with free speech and free media in the very free and model democracy Russia Sure, I get Vlad’s provocation puppetry for eliciting outrage and propaganda spin, but I can’t see Putin trying to smile this one off especially if it’s in concert with the other hard questions about Ukraine, 2016 election meddling, and Navalny. Never been much of a fight-fire-with-fire proponent, but I feel Biden should be almost _unrelenting_ in putting Putin’s feet to the fire, unsettling him, a little, with a “go ahead, make my day” approach. That’s definitely not Joe’s approach, but I think those days are over now, as far as Russia is concerned - why be anything _other than_ up front, nay, in your face, with someone who will act - regardless of diplomatic approach - in bad faith? Sure, Vlad can disingenuously go off about free speech and free media, but seeing increasing protests in Russia tells me that such propaganda will sit only with (what is likely) a shrinking reich-wing base - not much, _at all_, of a notch for VP to chalk up. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/373 "2021-06-16T15:10:44Z")
WOW! Watching that portion of the video left me nearly speechless. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/374 "2021-06-16T18:45:44Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > seeing increasing protests in Russia tells me that such propaganda will sit only with (what is likely) a shrinking reich-wing base - not much, _at all_ , of a notch for VP to chalk up. I think you’re over-optimistic. It’s quite possible that the protestors still represent only a minority; and highly probable that the general idea of Western conspiracy to do Russia down has been so reinforced over the last 20 years of controlled media that it’s a default assumption of a substantial majority. Navalny campaigned against corruption and deceit, not necessarily for turning Russia into a branch of the Western democracies or limiting Russia’s ambitions as a world power. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/375 "2021-06-17T04:36:57Z")
Agreed - the message that the West has been trying to bring down Russia has been a strong, reinforced one over some considerable time. There’s a Daily Beast article I wanted to cite but it’s paywalled…about Putin, a couple months ago, having to ramp up the propaganda for slipping poll ratings. And as a corollary to that, I can’t see how poll ratings would _not_ worsen with the advent of all the mass clamp-downs on protests - resulting in an outright pollce state. This is now a whole new terrifying level of, well, is ‘totalitarianism’ too heavy a word, here? Hopefully I’m not wishing in vain that the substantial majorty of Russia’s electorate will see the immediate threat of this crazily escalated police state for what it is. (pardon the hijack - my last post on this) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/376 "2021-06-17T14:30:08Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Hopefully I’m not wishing in vain that the substantial majorty of Russia’s electorate will see the immediate threat of this crazily escalated police state for what it is.- And what impact do you suppose the Russian electorate could possible have on any Russian election? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/377 "2021-06-17T14:51:08Z")
Indeed, a fair question, and one that can be increasingly asked of the US, too. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/378 "2021-06-17T16:23:38Z")
Sadly, yes. The electorate is on its way to becoming irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/379 "2021-06-19T04:33:21Z")
Yes,because GOP vote stealing, voter suppression, gerrymandering, fraud and what not got them the Senate and the White house in 2020. not. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/380 "2021-06-19T05:07:43Z")
And the threat of that is exactly what could happen in '24. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=20)