# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/381 "2021-06-19T17:39:14Z")
The lesson they learned is that they did not cheat hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/382 "2021-06-19T23:58:04Z")
Yes and No. Yes, one party has made it clear that they’re about done with pretending to be democratic, but there’s strong opposition. The problem is, we need more softer conservatives and centrists to recognize the danger and realize that we don’t live in a competitive two-party democracy anymore. We live in a two party system in which an illiberal party is challenging the liberal party, but not by trying to win democratically; rather, they’re competing purely for power itself and for control of the mechanisms by which power is gained and maintained. Moderate conservatives and centrists must swallow whatever it is they typically misgive about liberals and join them in opposing the illiberal forces - they cannot simply remain independent out of fidelity to their philosophical roots. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/383 "2021-06-20T00:42:50Z")
So what happens when half the population blatantly and brazenly chooses their own reality, and they all have made tacit agreements with each other to believe anything they say, no matter how obviously and ridiculously wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/384 "2021-06-20T00:47:48Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Moderate conservatives and centrists must swallow whatever it is they typically misgive about liberals and join them in opposing the illiberal forces - they cannot simply remain independent out of fidelity to their philosophical roots. I would like to see this start by the cessation of Democratic party infighting. Some unity from his own party would do Joe a world of good. Jumping on his face because he’s not left enough (or too left) or not fast enough or not demanding enough, too soft, too hard, to centrist, too extreme … just get behind him already! Splintering the party will give the Republicans exactly what they want. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/385 "2021-06-20T00:52:16Z")
And that’s what I don’t get with the likes of Manchin and Sinema. These IMHO are existential challenges and not the time for subtle nuances. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/386 "2021-06-20T02:58:43Z")
A CNN reporter was interviewing an insurrectionist, and asked him about the deaths 1/6, and the guy said he doesn’t believe Officer Sicknick is really dead. > **[CNN Reporter Stunned by ‘Brainwashed’ Man Charged in Capitol Riot Saying ‘I’m...](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reporter-stunned-by-brainwashed-man-charged-in-capitol-riot-saying-im-not-even-so-sure-that-officer-sicknicks-even-dead/)** > > A New Mexico county commissioner who was at the Capitol on January 6th says he's not sure if Officer Brian Sicknick and Ashli Babbitt are dead. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/387 "2021-06-20T07:47:11Z")
> [@. . . from that Mediaite quote](#): > > . . . he’s not sure if Officer Brian Sicknick and Ashli Babbitt are dead Well he BETTER damn well believe that Ashli Babbitt is dead. How else can the MAGAts make a martyr of her, and they have lately been doing? ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/388 "2021-06-20T14:20:24Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > And that’s what I don’t get with the likes of Manchin and Sinema. These IMHO are existential challenges and not the time for subtle nuances. I don’t know about Sinema, but Manchin is a Democrat trying to stay alive in West Virginia, a state that switched from overwhelmingly Democratic to pretty much completely Republican in just a few years. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/389 "2021-06-20T14:49:52Z")
Ah ok. Though I’ve learned a huge amount about US politics (I’m in the great white north), I hadn’t considered that. Interesting but still alarming. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/390 "2021-06-20T16:01:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Moderate conservatives and centrists must swallow whatever it is they typically misgive about liberals and join them in opposing the illiberal forces - they cannot simply remain independent out of fidelity to their philosophical roots. I was a life-long Libertarian, active in the party, not just a member or registrant, yet I decided that the choice was clear in 2020 and voted for Biden – for the country and it’s traditions, not for my party’s political goals. I am now registered as independent which in Arizona means I can request any party’s ballot in the primary. I might participate in the Republican party’s primary in a likely futile attempt to draw them back from the brink but I can’t imagine voting ever again for a Republican candidate in a general election. The party is beyond contempt. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/391 "2021-06-20T16:22:13Z")
So is Sherrod Brown in Ohio. Don’t see him playing these games. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/392 "2021-06-20T17:50:26Z")
West Virginia’s redder than Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/393 "2021-06-20T17:59:26Z")
I’m no medical examiner, but to borrow a Republian phrase: “I saw it on Tee-Vee!” and I’ll state that she’s really most sincerely dead. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/394 "2021-06-20T18:17:54Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Well he BETTER damn well believe that Ashli Babbitt is dead. How else can the MAGAts make a martyr of her, and they have lately been doing? I was wondering about that myself. I can understand claiming that Sicknick’s death was faked. That would reduce the rioters’ malfeasance. But Babbitt ~~was~~ is one of theirs. If she’s still alive, the government is slightly less evil than if she were dead. It sometimes seems as if the most important thing for conspiracy nuts is to accuse the government of lying, even if it reduces the sum total of their martyrdom. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/395 "2021-06-20T19:24:18Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > But Babbitt ~~was~~ is one of theirs. If she’s still alive, the government is slightly less evil than if she were dead. She’s both alive and dead, as well as both a patriot and antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/396 "2021-06-20T19:26:53Z")
So she is Schrödinger’s Martyr. That is so Q. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/397 "2021-06-20T20:35:54Z")
Q is so confused about how Individual 1 is going to be touring with O’Reilley in December, if he’s going to be President then. > **[QAnon Supporters Dismayed at Trump's December Tour With Bill O'Reilly](https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-trump-december-dates-bill-oreilley-president-1602328)** > > The conspiracy theorists come to the realization that Trump will not be president by end of the year if he is touring the country with former Fox News host. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/398 "2021-06-20T20:53:15Z")
Waitaminute! It took at least one step of logic to come to that conclusion, how in the hell did “Q” manage that?? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/399 "2021-06-21T00:44:21Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Waitaminute! It took at least one step of logic to come to that conclusion, how in the hell did “Q” manage that?? - Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. Donald never showed any reluctance to make money off the Presidency before, so why would he suddenly decline to accept the revenues from a $7500-per-ticket tour? Similarly: Donald never put in much time a-Presidentin’ before, so why would he be bothered _now_ by the time spent away from the Oval Office that a tour would require? ETA: Ticketmaster shows “$7500 +” as the top price for the most Donald-y and Most Bill-y seats…keep your eyes on that plus! [https://www.ticketmaster.com/the-history-tour-president-donald-j-sunrise-florida-12-11-2021/event/0D005AC4E555D84D](https://www.ticketmaster.com/the-history-tour-president-donald-j-sunrise-florida-12-11-2021/event/0D005AC4E555D84D) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/400 "2021-06-21T02:45:44Z")
Waitaminute is right. Trump spent 4 years holding rallies while pretending to be president. So what if he gets pretend re-inaugurated in August? He can still spent the rest of his pretend term holding rallies. I don’t get what Q is on about here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=21)