# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/441 "2021-06-25T19:08:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Andrew Giuliani, who is running for Governor of New York, said that his daddy was disbarred by “five leftist judges.” Did he dispute any of the allegations? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/442 "2021-06-25T19:39:12Z")
Did he actually say “daddy”? (_Please let it be true_.) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/443 "2021-06-25T19:57:02Z")
Unfortunately, no. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/444 "2021-06-27T02:47:04Z")
He said that his father did everything “by the book.” What book his father went by, he doesn’t say. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t _Jurisprudence for Dummies._ Here’s his tweet, if you desire to see it: [https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewhgiuliani/status/1408096094169468929](https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewhgiuliani/status/1408096094169468929) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/445 "2021-06-27T03:37:12Z")
Love this comment: > ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/446 "2021-06-28T09:12:31Z")
I would have gone with “A Confederacy of Dunces”. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/447 "2021-07-01T00:29:23Z")
> **[Tennessee couple paying $1 million to send South Dakota National Guard troops...](https://news.yahoo.com/tennessee-couple-paying-1-million-192827968.html)** > > South Dakota is receiving $1 million from a billionaire Tennessee couple to send 50 of its guardsmen and women to the US-Mexico border. I predict that this will become a thing. GOP governors using private tycoon money to use state militias and local police as publicity props, with the added bonus of politicizing the military and defying federal supremacy. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/448 "2021-07-01T01:29:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > GOP governors using private tycoon money to use state militias and local police as publicity props, with the added bonus of politicizing the military and defying federal supremacy. The Biden administration could counter this by federalizing the troops and ordering them to stay home. This was done once or twice in the 50s by the Eisenhower admin to prevent National Guard troops from enforcing segregation. Unless a state organizes a separate militia that has no dual federal-state command structure, there’s nothing that a Governor could do to prevent it. But the state (or the donors) would have to pay all the costs for that militia. It would cost a lot more than a measly $1M to organize and equip such a militia. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/449 "2021-07-01T01:43:34Z")
And anyway, let the GOP donor morons bleed their money away to grifters, fake “auditors”, and other schemes. So now 50 guardsmen and women from South Dakota will head down and mill about the border doing nothing of consequence, pissing away $1 million. Good job, nutbars from Tennessee. Way to waste your money. Next, send The Orange Menace another million to search for Obama’s birth certificate in Hawaii. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/450 "2021-07-01T02:17:13Z")
I get all of that – but the danger to democracy is intensifying. In fact it’s exploding out of control. The subversion of institutions that support and enable a functioning, civil, self-governing society is crucial, and the Republicans are sharing and replicating the weaponization of procedure and administration to sow chaos. Self-governance doesn’t work when there’s chaos - people will abandon democracy if there is instability and chaos, and they will embrace dictatorship. You don’t see it now. But if this continues, you absolutely will. You won’t just see it; you will feel it, experience it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/451 "2021-07-01T22:55:45Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@asahi](#): > > > > GOP governors using private tycoon money to use state militias and local police as publicity props, with the added bonus of politicizing the military and defying federal supremacy. > > **The Biden administration could counter this by federalizing the troops and ordering them to stay home. This was done once or twice in the 50s by the Eisenhower admin to prevent National Guard troops from enforcing segregation.** Unless a state organizes a separate militia that has no dual federal-state command structure, there’s nothing that a Governor could do to prevent it. But the state (or the donors) would have to pay all the costs for that militia. It would cost a lot more than a measly $1M to organize and equip such a militia. (My bolding.) I hadn’t remembered this; you’re right—the Biden Administration SHOULD do this. Because Asahi is also right: \ > [@asahi](#): > > I get all of that – but the danger to democracy is intensifying. In fact it’s exploding out of control. The subversion of institutions that support and enable a functioning, civil, self-governing society is crucial, and the Republicans are sharing and replicating the weaponization of procedure and administration to sow chaos. Self-governance doesn’t work when there’s chaos - people will abandon democracy if there is instability and chaos, and they will embrace dictatorship. … It’s not smart to just let this particular attempt to subvert our system go with a shrug. Anywhere we CAN counter pro-autocracy actions, we _should._ ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/452 "2021-07-02T20:19:13Z")
A Virginia cop who took part in the insurrection was ordered by a judge not to have any guns. He bought lots of them. > **[Judge Banned Cop Rioter From Owning Guns. He Bought 34, FBI Says.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/virginia-cop-thomas-robertson-accused-of-buying-34-guns-after-capitol-riot-arrest)** > > Thomas Robertson disguised some of the gun purchases as payments for “wedding photos,” according to an FBI search warrant affidavit filed Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/453 "2021-07-03T03:36:34Z")
An insurrectionist who has yet to be charged, accompanied several members of the House to the border and translated for them. > **[Capitol rioter accompanied members of Congress on trip to US-Mexico border |...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/02/politics/kfile-anthony-aguero-accompanied-members-of-congress-to-border/index.html)** > > A conservative YouTuber who participated in the January 6 riot accompanied Republican members of Congress on a trip to the border Tuesday night, serving as a translator at times. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/454 "2021-07-04T00:39:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > An insurrectionist who has yet to be charged, accompanied several members of the House to the border and translated for them. > [https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/02/politics/kfile-anthony-aguero-accompanied-members-of-congress-to-border/index.html](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/02/politics/kfile-anthony-aguero-accompanied-members-of-congress-to-border/index.html) - Appalling that Boebert and the other Republicans are still, essentially, celebrating the insurrection by associating with this January 6 attacker. Interesting, though, that on January 7—before he understood the politics at work—that attacker, Anthony Aguero, was at some pains to correct the ‘it was ANTIFA, it was BLM’ claims already being made by members of the Sedition Caucus: > [@](#): > > … In tweets after the Capitol insurrection, Greene [falsely suggested](https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1347254163714007042) that those who had broken into the Capitol were not Republicans and instead falsely implied so-called [“Antifa”](https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1350202460669939720) [dressed as Trump supporters](https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1350202460669939720) were to blame. > > In fact, Anthony Aguero, a conservative livestreamer, activist and associate of Greene, said on video following the January 6 assault on the Capitol that he had been among those who entered and attacked those who falsely claimed it was done by “Antifa.” > > “We were all there. It was not Antifa and it was not BLM. It was Trump supporters that did that yesterday. I’m the first to admit it, being one myself,” said Aguero in a video posted on January 7. > > “I walked amongst all those people,” he added, later defending entering the Capitol. … [https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/politics/kfile-marjorie-taylor-greene-close-ally-in-capitol-mob/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/politics/kfile-marjorie-taylor-greene-close-ally-in-capitol-mob/index.html) Some days or weeks later Aguero would have known better than to admit it was Trump fans invading the Capitol. But on January 7, he hadn’t yet figured that out. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/455 "2021-07-08T20:39:23Z")
Toyota has finally decided that contributing to insurrection supporters was not a good idea. > **[Toyota halting contributions to U.S. lawmakers who opposed Biden election...](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/toyota-halting-contributions-to-us-lawmakers-who-opposed-biden-certification.html)** > > Toyota Motor said its political action committee will halt donations to U.S. lawmakers that voted against President Joe Biden's election certification. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/456 "2021-07-08T22:08:18Z")
Wait a minute: _On June 29, the FBI raided Robertson’s home for a second time. This time, they found “an arsenal of 34 firearms… a loaded M4 rifle, ammunition, and a partially assembled pipe bomb,” the affidavit states_… _What they didn’t find at Robertson’s home, however, were the newly purchased guns—or Robertson. When they tracked him down that same day, Robertson told agents that he had bought the weapons online, but that they had been shipped to licensed dealers and he hadn’t picked them up yet._ _“The owner of Tactical Operations, a Federal Firearms License broker in Roanoke that serves as an intermediary for online gun purchases, told agents in an interview that Robertson had 34 firearms waiting for him at the store,” [according to a motion filed Wednesday by prosecutors seeking to revoke Robertson’s bail](https://www.scribd.com/document/513984290/Robertson-Bail-Revoke-Motion)._ Nor did the Judges order cover ammo. Something weird here. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/457 "2021-07-08T23:44:37Z")
Bad writing? ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/458 "2021-07-09T14:20:44Z")
Huh. I ran across this yesterday. (Lincoln Project) [Toyota - YouTube](https://youtu.be/Ed8HFawtEIE) Dunno if there’s any connection, just an interesting coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/459 "2021-07-09T14:27:02Z")
Can you give some clue as to what’s in the video that you want us to see? Not always in a position to view a video link. And sometimes it’s not apparent what the poster wants you to notice. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/460 "2021-07-09T14:29:14Z")
It basically slams Toyota for donating $ to insurrectionist and ‘big lie’ pols like Hawley It was inevitable that companies would deliberately erase their memories of Jan 6. Toyota has said that they’d back away from such efforts, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we find them feeding the same insurrectionists again in another 6 months. The political system makes it hard to bend a legislator’s ear without supporting them financially. Companies try to be neutral by supporting pols in both parties, which is normally how they get away with some of their more controversial contributions. The underlying rot of American politics is that we have a system that is transparently corrupt. There’s corruption, but hey, at least everyone can see it, and we operate by the same rules, so there’s that, I guess. But over time, this has a corrosive effect in the form of cynicism and outright hostility to ‘democracy’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=24)