# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/461 "2021-07-09T14:31:12Z")
A practice they apparently reversed yesterday: > **[Toyota changes stand, halts donations to election objectors](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-government-and-politics-elections-election-2020-a89989327a96ecc72b4fb808747a3aed)** > > DETROIT (AP) — Toyota has reversed itself and now says its political action committee will no longer contribute to the Republican legislators who voted against certifying Joe Biden's presidential election victory. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/462 "2021-07-09T14:34:48Z")
They did - but only for now. The cold, hard reality is that the insurrectionists have real political influence and power, and Toyota is not in a position to appear partisan for extended periods of time. Rep. Steve Scalise predicted that the big donors would be back within a matter of months, and he was absolutely right - and they’ll be back again. This is how our system operates, with transparent corruption. ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/463 "2021-07-09T19:38:51Z")
Oops, sorry about that. I know better. @asahi did a better summing up than I could have, too. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/464 "2021-07-11T14:00:59Z")
> **[Pizzeria Owner Mounts Truly Bizarre Defense for Jan. 6 Riots](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pizzeria-owner-pauline-bauer-mounts-truly-bizarre-defense-for-jan-6-riots)** > > Not only is she representing herself, she’s using far-out “sovereign citizen” talking points to claim she is immune from prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/465 "2021-07-11T17:48:11Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Pizzeria Owner Mounts Truly Bizarre Defense for Jan. 6 Riots](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pizzeria-owner-pauline-bauer-mounts-truly-bizarre-defense-for-jan-6-riots) Check her basement! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/467 "2021-07-12T20:07:33Z")
Nothing to add, but thought everyone would want to join me in this: Whenever I see this thread title I start singing _“American coup / stay away from me…”_ It has now morphed into _“American coop-de-doop-de-doop / stay away from me-hee-heeeee…”_ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/468 "2021-07-15T01:51:26Z")
🎶 _They’re coming to take me away, Haha, they’re coming to take me away, Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha, To the funny farm Where Life is Beautiful all the time And I’ll be happy to see Those Nice Young Men In their Clean White Coats And they’re coming to take me AWAY, HA HAAAAA_ 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/469 "2021-07-15T02:44:49Z")
A new book says that during the insurrection, Jim Jordan grabbed Liz Cheney and said, “We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you.” Cheney slapped his hand away and said, “Get away from me. You fucking did this.” > **[New Book Says Liz Cheney Smacked Jim Jordan’s Hand During Capitol Riot: ‘Get...](https://www.mediaite.com/politics/new-book-says-liz-cheney-smacked-jim-jordans-hand-during-capitol-riot-get-away-from-me-you-fcking-did-this/)** > > In the weeks leading to the storming of the Capitol, Jim Jordan had repeatedly cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2020 election. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/470 "2021-07-15T12:20:17Z")
Dang. I’m fixin’ to start liking her. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/471 "2021-07-15T12:35:54Z")
You took the words right out of my mouth. Go Liz! ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/472 "2021-07-15T14:26:41Z")
She’s got moxie! ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/473 "2021-07-15T16:27:59Z")
“You’ve got spunk. I hate spunk!” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/QBJfciyvahQ/maxresdefault.jpg "The Mary Tyler Moore Show S1 E1 I hate Spunk") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJfciyvahQ) (First episode of _The Mary Tyler Moore Show_) ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/474 "2021-07-15T17:14:30Z")
> **['Reichstag moment': Joint Chiefs chairman feared Trump was laying groundwork...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/15/joint-chiefs-staff-planned-stop-trump-coup-over-election-claims/7975643002/)** > > Gen. Mark Milley feared Trump might take unconstitutional actions after losing the election, according to the new book "I Alone Can Fix It." The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was informally preparing to prevent a coup. I wonder just how far Trump actually went. Could it be that he actually suggested to General Milley or other members of the top brass that they should in some way interfere in the transfer of power? I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump might even have actually given such orders. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/475 "2021-07-15T17:47:16Z")
‘If I Did It’, by Donald John Trump: [https://flic.kr/p/2mboRdC](https://flic.kr/p/2mboRdC) [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51314179294_bce5eedac9_b.jpg "20210715\_124547") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/51314179294/) ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/476 "2021-07-15T18:01:39Z")
CJCS is formally outside of the chain of command. So if Trump - or any president - decided to use the active-duty military to stage a coup, the Joint Chiefs would not necessarily be in the loop. Orders would go from the president through the defense secretary (Mark Esper or Chris Miller) and on to the commander of NORTHCOM, who as of August 2020 is GEN Glen VanHerck, USAF. However, the JCS is responsible for policy and planning, and the CJCS as the military’s ranking officer carries a great deal of weight. Milley would have been well within his purview to ask VanHerck (and other combatant commanders - SOUTHCOM and CENTCOM are also both based on the US mainland) to be informed about any suspicious orders they had been issued regarding suppression of “civil disorder” in the US. If it had happened? The military is firm on the principle of civilian control and the principle of resistance to unlawful orders. If those two principles came into conflict, we would have the mother of all constitutional crises. Trump is pretty craven at the core, so I suspect he would not have given such an order before “feeling out” SecDef’s position on the issue. Did Trump perhaps hint at it to Esper, Miller or Milley, in a thoroughly deniable way? If he had, I’m sure he would have gotten pushback from any of them. There are too many ways for a coup to go wrong, and anyone who goes along with it would be considered our greatest traitor-in-office since John B. Floyd, or maybe even Benedict Arnold. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/477 "2021-07-15T18:18:44Z")
“If I had really wanted to coup, I wouldn’t’ve couped with _that guy_.” Unfit to the end. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/478 "2021-07-15T18:54:43Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > “If I had really wanted to coup, I wouldn’t’ve couped with _that guy_ .” Well, he’s not wrong – he would have had to pick some Colonel with jumped up ambitions, the right kind of connections, and a Proud Boys decal on his truck. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/479 "2021-07-15T19:52:15Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > If it had happened? The military is firm on the principle of civilian control and the principle of resistance to unlawful orders. If those two principles came into conflict, we would have the mother of all constitutional crises. > > Trump is pretty craven at the core, so I suspect he would not have given such an order before “feeling out” SecDef’s position on the issue. Did Trump perhaps hint at it to Esper, Miller or Milley, in a thoroughly deniable way? > > **If he had, I’m sure he would have gotten pushback from any of them.** There are too many ways for a coup to go wrong, and anyone who goes along with it would be considered our greatest traitor-in-office since John B. Floyd, or maybe even Benedict Arnold. I’m sure you’re correct about this. What I’m wondering is if such a thing happened and we just haven’t heard about it. It’s something we would probably never find out about, but I can’t help but think that something like this did go on behind the scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/480 "2021-07-15T20:30:55Z")
Insurrectionist ordered back to jail for violating the terms of his pre-trial release, > **[Judge loses patience with MAGA rioter: 'I can no longer give the defendant...](https://www.rawstory.com/brandon-fellows/)** > > A federal judge on Thursday lost patience with an accused Capitol rioter who expressed "no regrets" about his involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection. > > (function(t,e,s,o){var... ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/481 "2021-07-15T20:47:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Insurrectionist ordered back to jail for violating the terms of his pre-trial release, Is he the guy who answered questions from journalists shirtless on his stoop? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=25)