# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/61 "2021-01-22T14:06:27Z")
His biggest problem is that he is probably a lot less useful to Putin and his oligarchs now, and I’m guessing more governments are going to be scrutinizing Trump’s properties to see who’s buying and leasing them. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/62 "2021-01-22T14:07:45Z")
**Trump Putsch** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/63 "2021-01-22T14:12:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > That’s why I was somewhat surprised he didn’t pardon them To pardon them would have tied him to their failures with no future benefit to himself. He used them, they failed, and that was the extent to which he gave a shit about them. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/64 "2021-01-22T14:13:11Z")
I’ve been impressed by the fact that when it looks like they might suffer consequences the insurrectionists start making excuses like a middle-schooler caught without a hall pass. From the article: > [@](#): > > The Daily Mail quoted Biggs on Tuesday as saying [he entered the Capitol Building](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9160965/Proud-Boys-leader-Joe-Biggs-seen-entering-Capitol-saying-awesome.html) with only the intention of using a restroom. > > 'The entire time I was in there I felt bad," Biggs told The Daily Mail. “I didn’t want to be there. I didn’t touch anything, I didn’t break anything, I didn’t steal anything. There was no ill intent other than I really needed a f\*\*\*ing piss.” > > Biggs said he went to the bathroom, washed his hands and exited the building, according to the interview. None of them that I have seen continue to shout “Give me liberty or give me death!” like they did before being caught. I just can’t imagine the radicals of the 1960s like the Black Panthers, SDS, Yippies, or Weather Underground not making political statements justifying their cause rather than whining “Not me!” The Proud Boys should be proud of what they did, not pissing themselves in fear. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/65 "2021-01-22T14:14:23Z")
Regrettably, I think that people have short memories. It will be good to have Biden as president because we won’t have someone throwing kerosene on the bonfire, but that doesn’t mean the energy behind the coup is necessarily disappearing. In fact, I can already kinda see where the next Trump might enter. The first high-profile right wing talking head or political figure who openly acts as an apologist for the Capitol Hill mob could very well turn out to be the next Trump. If Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson comes on the air and says “I don’t think the Capitol Hill protesters are insurrectionists; in fact, they are patriots!”…then that guy will claim the Trumpist mantle. Yes, there will be advertiser boycotts and he’d face other repercussions – for a few weeks. Trump will regret that he didn’t pardon the rioters. He will see that as his biggest mistake. Someone else will fill that void, and he’ll just be an ex-president with mounting legal problems and declining street cred. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/66 "2021-01-22T14:16:24Z")
That’s the way it might have seemed in real time, but it would have, once and for all, consummated the marriage to extremists, which might seem like a bad thing now, but if the GOP is not going to shake itself of the white nationalists – and it won’t – then that would have been the smart move (for Trump). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/67 "2021-01-22T14:18:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > If Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson comes on the air and says “I don’t think the Capitol Hill protesters are insurrectionists; in fact, they are patriots!”…then that guy will claim the Trumpist mantle I believe Rush has already done so. > [@asahi](#): > > That’s the way it might have seemed in real time, but it would have, once and for all, consummated the marriage to extremists, which might seem like a bad thing now, but if the GOP is not going to shake itself of the white nationalists – and it won’t – then that would have been the smart move (for Trump). Trump is not that circumspect. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/68 "2021-01-22T14:21:25Z")
MAGA was a proto-authoritarian movement that wasn’t always sure just how far it should go in attacking democracy; MAGA 2.0 will be a lot more certain about the extent to which it should go. They will wage total war against our institutions, and they won’t wait until the last possible moment to do it. They will learn from their mistakes, which makes them dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/69 "2021-01-22T14:36:55Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I dunno where this one properly belongs, but … > > For those who’ve been watching along with _Beau of the Fifth Column,_ I think he hit this latest one out of the park. Less than seven minutes. Worth the time, IMHO: > > ETA: Mods: if there’s a better place for this, please feel free to move it. TY! For anyone not interested in watching this excellent video, here’s the gist of it: Beau lists 14 accomplishments of Trump, 12 positive and 2 negative (positive from a Trump supporter’s view), gets us to agree that yes, those are his accomplishments, and then hits us with “[those are the 14 characteristics of Fascism](https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html).” ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/70 "2021-01-23T00:48:02Z")
This guy should have just sat down and shut up. Oops, he’s in jail now! [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/alleged-capitol-rioter-gave-himself-away-by-yelling-trump-2020-on-plane](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/alleged-capitol-rioter-gave-himself-away-by-yelling-trump-2020-on-plane) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/71 "2021-01-23T03:07:51Z")
According to the New York Times, things got very dicey at the justice department in the days before the insurrection. Trump wanted to fire the a.g. replace him with a civil attorney and go after forcing Georgia to overturn their election. > **[Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)** > > Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist. The last 2 paragraphs just say it all. As a citizen just following the news things were nerve wracking, I can not imagine the pressure, anxiety, and stress those in the government felt during the previous administration. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/72 "2021-01-23T03:39:39Z")
The above post suggests one more data point for Biden to touch upon as he detrumpifies the trumpswamp: He needs to fire the DoJ attorney in question in the above. I’m going to post this in the ~~Unfucking the Clusterfuck~~ [Extricating us from the Imbroglio](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extricating-us-from-the-imbroglio-repairing-the-damage/931007/63) thread too. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/73 "2021-01-23T04:14:59Z")
Welp, looks like Doctor Crazy has been arrested: > **[The Washington Post - Breaking news and latest headlines, U.S. news, world...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/)** > > Breaking news, live coverage, investigations, analysis, video, photos and opinions from The Washington Post. Subscribe for the latest on U.S. and international news, politics, business, technology, climate change, health and wellness, sports,... > Simone Gold, 55, is facing charges of entering a restricted building or grounds, violent entry and disorderly conduct, records show. > Gold, an outspoken advocate for the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus, told The Washington Post she had gone to the Capitol and is the person depicted in police bulletins carrying a bullhorn on the Capitol grounds. Another article I read said she’d been fired from her job as an ER physician after this event mentioned in the above article: > America’s Frontline Doctors, a group she founded, in July spoke outside the U.S. Supreme Court to criticize the pandemic lockdowns. The group has been widely discredited for spreading disinformation about the coronavirus and unproven treatments, and social media platforms have removed its content. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/74 "2021-01-23T04:29:35Z")
> “I do regret being there,” Gold said. Horseshit. Like all the others, you regret getting held to account for your actions. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/75 "2021-01-23T07:16:44Z")
> Excerpt from a Washington Post story, observing some background noted in charging papers for one of the primary insurrectionists: During the attack, he was getting messages containing _active guidance on lawmaker locations **from someone inside the building.** _ Authorities have evidently accessed the social-media profile where these messages were being exchanged and have copies of the texts and the sender(s). This is confirmed as a genuine conspiracy, folks. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/76 "2021-01-23T14:14:00Z")
Thank you, senegoid. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/77 "2021-01-23T14:49:14Z")
We’ve traced the call, and it’s coming from _inside the House_! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/78 "2021-01-23T14:49:51Z")
Also: > **[Rocky Mount cops claim innocence during Capitol riots, but federal warrant...](https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/01/23/rocky-mount-cops-claim-innocence-during-capitol-riots-but-federal-warrant-says-otherwise/?outputType=amp)** > > Two Rocky Mount police officers currently on administrative leave have maintained their innocence after a photo surfaced of them inside the U.S. Capitol’s Crypt the day of the riot, but a federal search warrant details a series of admissions and... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/79 "2021-01-23T15:27:50Z")
You know the saying “photos or it didn’t happen”? These people are saying “photos and it STILL didn’t happen.” 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/80 "2021-01-23T16:24:00Z")
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