# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/81 "2021-01-24T18:00:37Z")
To give credit where it might be due? from article: > [@](#): > > [cop Robertson]: "Damage control by the Republicans in DC is trying to say it was ANTIFA. It wasn’t. Possible some where there? Of course. Caused it?? Nope.” Curious how right wing nuts will process that. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/82 "2021-01-25T12:51:57Z")
I continue to be shocked at how many professional women are involved in this. I know women can be a bat-shit crazy and evil as men, but the particular brand of crazy that is Trumpism seems so intertwined with toxic masculinity and evangelical Christianity–two things I really don’t associate with professional women. I guess I can see how, were I a frustrated dude, Trump might appeal. I can see a woman in a very patriarchal culture accepting the Trump Way simply by default. But I struggle to understand what in it would attract professional women independently. And that generally holds: Biden won college-educated women by like 40%. But there are still ardent true believers, college-educated women who would attack a building for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/83 "2021-01-25T13:12:43Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > But I struggle to understand what in it would attract professional women independently. [![](https://www.udiscovermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Public_Enemy-Fear_Of_A_Black_Planet-Frontal.jpg) ](https://www.udiscovermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Public_Enemy-Fear_Of_A_Black_Planet-Frontal.jpg) “It takes a nation of Karens to hold us back.” ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/84 "2021-01-26T11:15:35Z")
Alas, you’re probably right. How depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/85 "2021-01-26T16:48:07Z")
Uh-oh, SpaghettiO. > **[Rocky Mount formally fires officers charged in U.S. Capitol riot](https://roanoke.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/rocky-mount-formally-fires-officers-charged-in-u-s-capitol-riot/article_d40df08a-5fe7-11eb-b162-0f117495973b.html)** > > The controversy sparked by Thomas "T.J." Robertson and Jacob Fracker, who now have been fired by the town police department, arrived during an already turbulent time for the town government. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/86 "2021-01-26T17:09:39Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I am confident that Jan 6th broke the spine of Trump’s political future. He has none. And I don’t think his kids do either, but 30+ years is a long way to predict. It’s five days later, so I have more information to base this on, but I don’t think this is correct. All the people who have been supporting Trump have an interest in downplaying Trump’s misdeeds and the insurrection. With Fox, Newsmax and various other “conservative” media on the team they will convince the Trumpistas that the attack on the capitol a) wasn’t so bad, b) was actually antifa, c) was a great success in showing how strong the movement is, etc. pick any combination, don’t worry if they are contradictory. And non-Trumpist conservatives will fall into line and support the DJTjr candidacy if the alternative is higher taxes. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/87 "2021-01-26T18:20:27Z")
FYI: Dozens of corporations who made political contributions to the electoral college objectors in Congress have paused their political contributions, according to [this article](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/01/business/corporate-pac-suspensions/). Many more who contributed haven’t commented, which, I assume, means they’ll probably continue to donate. I’ve extracted the names of corporations who’ve said **they’ll continue donating** to these malignant idiots, along with the dollar amount of their 2019-2020 election cycle contributions: Home Depot $465,000 FedEx $263,000 Delta Airlines $236,000 Lowe’s $176,000 Pacific Life $54,000 Proctor & Gamble $45,000 KeyCorps $25,000 Discover Financial $25,000 Lab Corps of America $17,000 Berkshire Hathaway $16,000 DISH Network $15,000 Air Products & Chem $4,000 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/88 "2021-01-26T18:24:27Z")
I am with JT in that I don’t think Donald Trump has much of a political future left. I mean, the man is approaching 75 years of age and his diet is shit. I also wonder what the 'rona did to his lungs and blood vessels. But that doesn’t mean he can’t rehabilitate his image and perhaps put out Ivanka or Don Jr as one of his proxies. He could definitely have some influence going forward, and I don’t think white nationalism is going anywhere right now. The neo-confederates are going to be with us for a while. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/89 "2021-01-26T18:26:19Z")
They’re going to wait it out until the waters get calmer. “Just let the storm pass,” they’re probably telling themselves. In a moment of profound cynicism and smugness, Steve Scalise even told his fellow House members to not worry about losing donations because they’ll need them again in a few months, and he’s probably right. It’s capitalism that fuels the racism - because if you look at American history, the two are inextricably tied together. America was founded on race-based capitalism and a race-based capitalistic caste system. The rich want the caste system based on wealth; and every white man needs to be at least one rung above non-whites. That’s what the ethnonationalist white man understands America to be, and what many white mans subconsciously subscribe to as well. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/90 "2021-01-26T19:34:19Z")
Very useful. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/91 "2021-01-27T05:15:55Z")
Seconded. I’m surprised FedEx wasn’t on top; still wagering they’d be the very last of the rats to go for a swim. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/92 "2021-01-28T15:17:06Z")
Kevin McCarthy has gone to Florida to make nice with Trump and beg for his support: > **[McCarthy to visit the former president in Florida, showing where he stands in...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/kevin-mccarthy-trump-meeting/index.html)** > > House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy had an important decision to make — stick with former President Donald Trump and his loyalists in the Freedom Caucus, or side with more establishment House Republicans who want to take the party back. > **[In the Republican Party, the post-Trump era lasted a week | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/politics/donald-trump-republican-party/index.html)** > > Two roads diverged in American politics, and the Republican Party chose the one traveled by disgraced ex-President Donald Trump and QAnon conspiracy theorists. The Republican mainstream doesn’t seem to have given up on Trump, despite his defeat. Just like it didn’t pay any attention to that memo about reaching out more to minorities after Obama took the White House. They’re not going to listen to any (expletive deleted) consultants, they’re going to go with what worked for them in the past, dad-gum-it! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/93 "2021-01-28T15:44:19Z")
The Republican party and what it represents has arguably fewer adherents now than it did in November, if only slightly fewer. But the ones who populate the Republican party openly are probably the die-hards, and they are probably as defiant as ever. I don’t expect Republicans to budge from Trumpism: they had a chance to pull the party in a different direction years ago, and instead decided that rather than try to compete for the center, they were going back to their base camp and dig in. The only way the Republican pols will come out is through a long, slow siege warfare that essentially starves them out. The party will grow more and more extreme. A senator here and a congressman or governor there will, one by one, over time, decide that the party’s gone too far, and they’ll retire like Sens Flake, Corker, Toomey, and Portman. But that’s what we have to look forward to. There’s no question that the events from November 3rd on represent a clear and obvious democratic backslide. But I suppose that’s to be expected. Consciously deciding that we can make our democracy more perfect often results in a trade off that involves sacrificing stability, as expanding democracy and power to make our society more inclusive inevitably conflicts with the majoritarian value system that the culturally dominant group favors. And we see that when we watch the videos: listening to their words, they’re speaking rubbish, nonsense. “This is our house.” “Defend your liberty, defend the Constitution.” Whose House? Whose liberty? Whose Constitution? Well, _theirs_ obviously. A tangential thought or reaction to this is that maybe, just maybe, as ‘great’ as our Founding Fathers were, maybe now would be time for a serious rethink about giving them undue reverence. I’m done with Declaration, Revolution, and Constitution worship – let bygone eras be gone. The Framers were useful, but I don’t want to hear what kind of country the Framers wanted - who gives a shit? They wanted, and in fact had, slaves. We decided that was wrong. They stole land that wasn’t theirs. We know that this is wrong. The Framers wrote and ratified a Constitution with a festering flaw so great that it took 4 years and 600,000 American lives to fix. I don’t care what the Founding Fathers wanted. We should care about what it will take to make this country more stable and productive, and it’s not white supremacy. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/94 "2021-01-28T15:46:00Z")
No, it didn’t shatter Trumpism or the Right, but Donald himself has no political future. He’s not leaving office like Teddy Roosevelt but as a beleaguered, disgraced, ex-president who led an Insurrection and is facing a score of lawsuits and over $1 billion in debt refinancing. He is also 74 years old and if he ever runs for anything again he will be the most instantly reviled candidate in the history of American politics. (Shit, I typed this up 2 days ago and forgot to send. My bad!) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/95 "2021-01-28T15:59:42Z")
Another piece commenting on McCarthy’s trip to see Trump > **[Kevin McCarthy flies to Florida to kiss Trump’s ring.](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/28/2012422/-Kevin-McCarthy-flies-to-Florida-to-kiss-Trump-s-ring?utm_campaign=recent)** > > My only question is why? okay, that is not quite accurate. Here are some more questions: Is it because Trump created the Office of the Former President there? Is it because Trump ordered him to come? is it because Trump terrifies GOP... Has anyone checked under McCarthy’s bed for giant seed pods? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/96 "2021-01-28T16:17:25Z")
> Why, Kevin? What is forcing your hand at this point in history, at this precise time, in the midst of a continuing insurrection and attack on our government from within? Kompromat. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/97 "2021-01-28T16:22:30Z")
Could be. But also his district is about as far right as is Idaho. He fancies himself a possible replacement for Trump once the Godfather dies. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/98 "2021-01-28T23:40:31Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Has anyone checked under McCarthy’s bed for giant seed pods? [Wrong Kevin McCarthy](https://www.eonline.com/uk/news/200040/kevin-mccarthy-star-of-original-invasion-of-body-snatchers-dies). ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/99 "2021-01-29T01:04:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > [Wrong Kevin McCarthy](https://www.eonline.com/uk/news/200040/kevin-mccarthy-star-of-original-invasion-of-body-snatchers-dies). Don’t make me explain the concept of a “joke”… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/100 "2021-01-29T01:23:15Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I guess I can see how, were I a frustrated dude, Trump might appeal. I can see a woman in a very patriarchal culture accepting the Trump Way simply by default. But I struggle to understand what in it would attract professional women independently. Besides Cervaise’s point about the racism, I think there’s a certain amount of “Cool Girl” factor at work too. Women who publicly endorse and champion aggressively macho-rebellion-type movements can get a lot of admiration, especially if they’re conventionally attractive. “I’m not like those drippy timid girls or those angry hairy-legged feminist uggos, I’m a real strong independent woman and I can appreciate Real Men!” Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin are other examples of “Cool Girl” attitude in public personae. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=6)